# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/341 "2016-09-12T18:50:50Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Is this a whoosh? You maybe would’ve preferred she’d hugged the kid tight and gone for a kiss square on the lips while gasping out _“pneumonia”_ over and over? I was worried Hillary was going to hug the little girl for the every reason you stated . If she had done this people would been saying what horrible to do the child and I am sure her parents would had been really upset if Hillary did hug their child learning Hillary has pneumonia . ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/342 "2016-09-12T18:53:14Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > Nope. > > I remember listening to Trump a long time ago on the Howard Stern show. Stern chided Trump that he only pulled in the honeys because he was rich. Trump claimed he had many wealthy friends who had trouble getting hooked up and that it took more than just being wealthy. > > The point is that Trump has natural charisma. He was a star long before a candidate. When the debates happen, the tepid Hillary supporters will swoon his way. The women who claim to support Hillary will betray her and go for Trump. Trump has natural charisma? I don’t see it. I’ve always found him to have anti-charisma - he’s actively repulsive. Even back in the 80’s, when he wasn’t old and didn’t wear his hair like an old lady, I found him unattractive. If he didn’t have a dime, he wouldn’t be dating/marrying models, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/343 "2016-09-12T18:53:36Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > What I’m seeing so far this morning (on my admitedly biased Facebook feed, because Facebook does such an excellent job of biasing it on my behalf - nevermind that I’m Friended to actual Republicans, I still don’t see many of their posts) is a bunch of, “Geez, she must be healthy as a horse to have been keeping up this schedule with pneumonia!” > > Which is great. I happen to agree. Let’s get that spin out. Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. She held a national security meeting, a press conference, did an interview, took pictures with about 100 people, and gave a speech. She then attended the 9/11 memorial. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/344 "2016-09-12T18:55:55Z")
> [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](#): > > Trump has natural charisma? I don’t see it. I’ve always found him to have anti-charisma - he’s actively repulsive. Even back in the 80’s, when he wasn’t old and didn’t wear his hair like an old lady… That’s when he had brown hair. Now, its electric blonde. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/345 "2016-09-12T18:55:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Maybe close, but “very close”? At this point, I’m pretty sure Romney was much closer in '12 than Trump is now. I think even McCain in '08 was this close or closer. In 2008 the conventions were later, but Obama went into a huge lead beginning with the fiscal crisis. In 2012 Obama was **further** ahead at this point, and fell badly after the first debate with Romney, gradually edging back ahead until he won by 3.9 points in the popular vote, which is not a crushing victory. Trump has a not-insignificant chance of winning. That’s very close. Too close. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/346 "2016-09-12T18:57:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **iiandyiiii** > That’s 'cause the little “girl” was a robot, probably manufactured by various wealthy Clinton Foundation donors. You can tell because humans don’t want to hug Hillary Clinton – certainly not human little girls. Hillary Clinton (the indestructible lizard version, anyway) reeks of sulfur from the depths of hell. Aha! So you are finally admitting the truth, I always knew the day would come. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/347 "2016-09-12T18:57:26Z")
Jesus! What if he gets struck mute, and can’t talk? _Fuck!_ ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/348 "2016-09-12T18:57:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Maybe close, but “very close”? At this point, I’m pretty sure Romney was much closer in '12 than Trump is now. I think even McCain in '08 was this close or closer. The RCP avg spread now 2.2% four way, and it would seem the usual pattern of minor parties fading to \*'s as the election approaches is more doubtful this time. These really seem to be viewed as a worse pair of major party candidates by the electorate than usual (IOW it’s not just me 🙂 ). Comparing to 2008/12 depends on whether ‘this point’ is calendar date or same time since last convention; the conventions were much later in '08/12. Same calendar date Obama led Romney by 3.5 but trailed McCain, during McCain’s fairly dramatic but short lived convention bounce, by 2.3. Same number of days since the second convention ended Obama led McCain by 5.8 (Oct 20) but trailed Romney by 0.4 (Oct 22). But IMO hindsight creates significant bias as to what was ‘very close’ when knowing the final outcome, which we don’t here. And laying out this trivia is partly in support of my general point to not get carried away with Nate Silverism (which I don’t think he does either, but some of his fans do). This is not some known statistical process with volatilities and correlations (among state results, economic parameters and polls and so forth) in a central limit theorem type normal distribution assumption. It’s better to be a bit ahead in the polls than behind. I’m not sure there’s much more you can say except to buck up spirits of the like minded, which I think is the only actual value of a lot of comments on here so optimistic about Clinton’s position. McCain was quite competitive, then ran into the buzz saw of the financial crisis it was only natural for voters to tend to take out on the WH incumbent party (underlying merits either way aside). Stuff happens, and hard to tell in advance how seemingly smaller events will weigh, IOW how much stuff has just happened with Clinton’s ‘deplorables’ gaffe and medical problems, though not in the same league as the Lehman meltdown and McCain’s poor response. The one thing I think the Clinton-optimist position can legitimately cling to to some degree is the change in last few months that Trump seems to run worse in PA than nationally, as other recent GOP’ers also finally did but Trump was doing better in earlier polls. Nor has be able to run as well as nationally in ‘older, whiter’ Obama states like MI or WI. If tied nationally it seems he’d probably win all Romney’s states plus IA, OH and FL (he’s running almost as well or better in each of those RCP-4-way than nationally, even with somewhat stale numbers from when he was down more nationally). But even adding NV and NH to those is still only 269. Unless/until fresh avgs show him really close in PA (not just 'margin of error) or his more ambitious blue targets, non-panic seems reasonable from pro-Clinton POV. Total write off of Trump at this point though, not knowing how the latest Clinton self damage plays out in polls, no longer reasonable IMO. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/349 "2016-09-12T19:04:14Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > the insane differences in how media treat trump vs hillary is just astounding. he has spent a year insulting every demographic (except uneducated whites) and nada… hillary is sick and shes back to untrustworthy, liar, release ALL records, etc… > > my god, trump still is holding is fracking tax returns. its just insane where we are in a political dialogue space. > **[Everyone Creeped Out By Donald Trump Touching His Daughter](https://crooksandliars.com/2016/07/everyone-creeped-out-donald-trump-touching)** > > Really creeped out. Yeah you don’t hear anything about Trump feeling up his daughter on TV and he had said he would date her ! ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/350 "2016-09-12T19:06:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That’s when he had brown hair. Now, its electric blonde. AKA “old lady blonde.” At least he hasn’t gone for that “old lady meant-to-be-red-but-turns-out-brignt-orange” color - yet! [No disrespect to old ladies - they wear that hairstyle and color much better than Trump does. And they know how to hide their bobby pins in their hair.] ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/351 "2016-09-12T19:07:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. She held a national security meeting, a press conference, did an interview, took pictures with about 100 people, and gave a speech. She then attended the 9/11 memorial. Yeah, but \*none \*of that counts! The only takeaway is that **SHE LIED!** Nothing else matters, has ever mattered, or will ever matter. :smack: I wonder what the criticism would be if she had announced the pneumonia diagnosis and THEN “held a national security meeting, a press conference, did an interview, took pictures with about 100 people, and gave a speech. She then attended the 9/11 memorial.” Anyone care to speculate how \*\*that \*\*would have been spun into a negative? Because it certainly would have been. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/352 "2016-09-12T19:13:16Z")
Reckless! Taking risks for the sake of optics! Acutally, do kinda see that. If her doctor said “pneumonia, cancel, rest, recover”, that’s _exactly_ what she should have done. ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/353 "2016-09-12T19:18:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Acutally, do kinda see that. If her doctor said “pneumonia, cancel, rest, recover”, that’s _exactly_ what she should have done. And then the headline becomes “Hillary lacks the stamina to honor 9/11 victims”. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/354 "2016-09-12T19:21:14Z")
Hillary always has a chance of winning. Only because Trump suffers from incurable foot in mouth disease. He’s bound to say something outrageous again before November. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/355 "2016-09-12T19:21:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yeah, but \*none \*of that counts! The only takeaway is that **SHE LIED!** Nothing else matters, has ever mattered, or will ever matter. Her previous activities don’t matter because no one’s lives are impacted by them (or at least not in a way that’s obvious), and they’re what is expected that a candidate will do. It’s also expected that a candidate will lie from time to time. The reason her lies matter is that she lies constantly, and often when it doesn’t even matter. This creates the impression that she’s manipulative. And people don’t like it when they feel they’re being manipulated. It creates issues with trust and is an insult to their intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/356 "2016-09-12T19:29:37Z")
And this just in… **Trump To Clinton: Apologize For ‘Deplorables’ Insult Or Drop Out** > [@](#): > > Donald Trump seized on his opponent’s remarks over the weekend decrying the “basket of deplorables” among his supporters, saying Hillary Clinton should apologize after she “viciously demonized” Americans or drop out of the race. > > Speaking at the National Guard Association in Baltimore on Monday, Trump said Clinton’s “disdain” for millions of voters “disqualifies her from public service.”… Shortened. Its longer, but no better… Actually, worse. [http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...es-or-drop-out](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...es-or-drop-out) ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/357 "2016-09-12T19:30:02Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > Despite the fact that a piece of metal (most likely a bolt) falls from Hillary as she is shoved into the van (you can hear and see it in the video), I’ve restrained myself from suggesting she is a robot. Don’t I deserve some credit for that? I didn’t shit my pants today at work. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/358 "2016-09-12T19:32:41Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I didn’t shit my pants today at work. Well, I did have you in the “Shits pants at work today” pool, but I can give credit where credit is due. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/359 "2016-09-12T19:51:57Z")
Does anyone know where Bill was? It would have been nice for him to be with his wife being that she has a serious illness and all. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/360 "2016-09-12T19:55:21Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Hillary always has a chance of winning. Only because Trump suffers from incurable foot in mouth disease. > > He’s bound to say something outrageous again before November. Even if he doesn’t he’d still lose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=19)