# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/361 "2016-09-12T19:56:18Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Hillary always has a chance of winning. Only because Trump suffers from incurable foot in mouth disease. > > He’s bound to say something outrageous again before November. Strangely enough, he has been somewhat measured. There appears to be a new strategy in the Trump campaign of letting the surrogates (Bannon, Ailes, et al) do the dirty work and to try to make Trump look like he’s still aggressive and fearless but at least somewhat presidential. I would imagine that asking Trump to go for days on end without trolling someone would be like asking George Best or Mickey Mantle to go without booze for a day or two. But maybe he can somehow pull it off… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/362 "2016-09-12T19:56:31Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Does anyone know where Bill was? > > It would have been nice for him to be with his wife being that she has a serious illness and all. Bill was in space, meeting their space-lizard overlords to kowtow and receive instructions. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/363 "2016-09-12T19:57:37Z")
It’s not a serious illness-- it’s a completely treatable one. And I don’t give a shit where Bill is-- he’s probably out chasing tail somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/364 "2016-09-12T19:58:27Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Well, I did have you in the “Shits pants at work today” pool, but I can give credit where credit is due. Just about everything about this response is just about as good as I could have expected. Well done. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/365 "2016-09-12T19:58:28Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Does anyone know where Bill was? > > It would have been nice for him to be with his wife being that she has a serious illness and all. He’s lying low because he’s too much of a liability. He’s not only as big a liar as his wife but he’s rapey and cheatey and his presence undercuts the _“Vote for me, I’m a woman!”_ aspects of Hillary’s campaign. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/366 "2016-09-12T19:58:54Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > Despite the fact that a piece of metal (most likely a bolt) falls from Hillary as she is shoved into the van (you can hear and see it in the video), I’ve restrained myself from suggesting she is a robot. Don’t I deserve some credit for that? Yeah that was strange. Maybe a leg brace under there. This episode has renewed my hope for a Clinton victory, but they’re probably getting ready to pull the plug on ole Hillary as we speak. They’re already warming the faithful up to it on NPR. All we need now is Obama to pat everyone on the head. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/367 "2016-09-12T20:09:19Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Even if he doesn’t he’d still lose. Campaigns’ pivotal moments are not usually a misstatement in and of itself but rather a statement that reinforces something about the candidate the public already doesn’t like. In an election, each candidate has a story that is told, and within it multiple chapters of that story. Somewhere along the way, and usually in September and October when more people are actually paying attention to the election, there is usually something or a series of events that paint the story in a way that becomes permanently etched in the minds of voters. For Mitt Romney, it was the 47 percent comment, which forever cemented the image of Mittens as being out of touch with the less fortunate among humankind. For John Kerry it was Swiftboat, which forever characterized something that should have been a strength - his service to country - and turned it into a narrative of a nerdy, unpatriotic, political opportunist who hardly served and supported an anti-war movement to support his future aspirations. For Mike Dukakis, it was the comical image of a bookish liberal riding around in a tank on one hand and a violent criminal on the other, which characterized him as a dangerously naive Northeast Liberal who doesn’t know how the real world works. Sometime in the next 30-45 days, something is going to paint the story, and the undecideds will start making final decisions. This race will come down to which campaign does the better job of using political ads or online posting, sharing, and tweeting to frame the candidates. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/368 "2016-09-12T20:31:51Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > It appears she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday and advised to rest and modify her schedule. Her campaign should have had a plan to keep her properly rested and hydrated at the event and to leave smoothly if necessary. Instead we have that terrible visual of her being dragged into the van. It was very badly handled by her staff. Possibly the traditional female role of being Selfless played a role, too: I would be willing to bet that Hillary kept saying “I’m fine” to her staff, thinking she could power through the heat of the day even though fighting off a respiratory infection. (A Good Woman doesn’t stop and let others take care of her–she keeps on taking care of them. Or so says our culture.) At some point the body won’t cooperate no matter how strong the will may be. > [@Lantern](#): > > They they compounded the issue by not immediately disclosing that she was suffering from pneumonia. I’m not so sure about this. Which is the smarter campaign move: A) Announce “the candidate has pneumonia” or B) Announce “the candidate had to cancel two events last week due to a mild case of pneumonia, but she’s over it now and is at full strength” …? I wouldn’t be surprised if they thought (B) might work out just fine. And of course (A) was guaranteed to have the Alt-Right running around with hair on fire, so why not avoid that if possible? What all this _‘it was a mistake not to disclose this to the American People immediately’_ opining ignores, is that pneumonia is a treatable illness that can be largely over with, in a relatively small number of days. (Not in \*all \*cases, of course–but, often enough.) The American People would certainly have a right to immediate disclosure of an _incurable_ illness–sure. Of course. But something that will go away with the right course of antibiotics? Not so much. > [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > ``` > ...Hillary. How many will feel betrayed that she lied to them that she was physically capable of being POTUS? . > > ``` Sounds as though your screen name should more properly be “Straws Clutching.” A case of pneumonia renders one _physically incapable_ of being POTUS? Really? How do you figure? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/369 "2016-09-12T20:55:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … I would be willing to bet that Hillary kept saying “I’m fine” to her staff, thinking she could power through the heat of the day even though fighting off a respiratory infection. > … What?? Saying she’s _fine_ when she knows goddammed good and well she’s NOT fine?? Another blatant LIE!! Is there no end to it? :smack: P.S. This is probably exactly what she did, said she was fine and thought she could make it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/370 "2016-09-12T20:58:23Z")
I’m not sure why anyone would see that was a positive. Just shows poor judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Atomic\_Alex](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atomic_alex/32/175_2.png) [@Atomic\_Alex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomic_Alex)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/371 "2016-09-12T20:58:35Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I would imagine that asking Trump to go for days on end without trolling someone would be like asking George Best or Mickey Mantle to go without booze for a day or two. But maybe he can somehow pull it off… I have to admit, I didn’t expect to see a George Best reference on the SD. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/372 "2016-09-12T20:59:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What?? Saying she’s _fine_ when she knows goddammed good and well she’s NOT fine?? Another blatant LIE!! Is there no end to it? > :smack: > > P.S. This is probably exactly what she did, said she was fine and thought she could make it. Sadly, the idea that anti-Hillary folks WOULD use ‘she _said she was fine when she knew she still felt under-par!!!11!!!_’ as a slam, is not remotely far-fetched. _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/373 "2016-09-12T21:14:32Z")
I’m not buying the pneumonia thing. They say she was diagnosed with it on Friday so it’s not like they found out on Sunday. She has a major issue on Sunday and so she heads to Chelsea’s apartment where there is a three month old baby? Who with pneumonia goes and potentially infects their 3 month old grand daughter? Why wouldn’t she go to a hospital? It doesn’t make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/374 "2016-09-12T21:14:44Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not sure why anyone would see that was a positive. Just shows poor judgment. When the going gets tough, the tough get going-----what poor judgment! ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/375 "2016-09-12T21:17:17Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > I’m not buying the pneumonia thing. They say she was diagnosed with it on Friday so it’s not like they found out on Sunday. She has a major issue on Sunday and so she heads to Chelsea’s apartment where there is a three month old baby? Who with pneumonia goes and potentially infects their 3 month old grand daughter? Why wouldn’t she go to a hospital? It doesn’t make sense. Pnumonia normally is bacterial and not contagious. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/376 "2016-09-12T21:28:31Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Pnumonia normally is bacterial and not contagious. It is also a leading cause of death for people under 5 and a baby under 6 months of age has very little in the way of immune systems. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/377 "2016-09-12T21:33:26Z")
As I’m led to understand, after 48 hours on antibiotics (which she would have been), it is no longer a contagious issue. Furthermore, just because you don’t think something is wise does not mean that it is not the actual explanation for actions. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/378 "2016-09-12T21:33:39Z")
For me, it speaks to a bizarre election process. How many months and $hundreds of millions down the road are we now? I’m worn out from hearing about the damn charade. She’s worn out, it’s not a surprise. UK 2015 election, 5 1/2 weeks from dissolution of parliament to voting day was quite enough. ---
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/379 "2016-09-12T21:33:43Z")
I can totally see Clinton trying to power through what she thought was just a cough, especially if she thought it was due to allergies. In my late-20s/early 30s, I had a cough creep up on me that I ignored for around 2 weeks or more until I was feeling awful and got diagnosed with pneumonia. She’s such a reported workhorse and she had a campaign to run that I can see her not wanting to bother telling anyone she wasn’t feeling well until it became an issue. Pneumonia sucks to have even if you catch it early ---
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/380 "2016-09-12T21:35:30Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > For me, it speaks to a bizarre election process. > > How many months and $hundreds of millions down the road are we now? I’m worn out from hearing about the damn charade. She’s worn out, it’s not a surprise. > > UK 2015 election, 5 1/2 weeks from dissolution of parliament to voting day was quite enough. And it was reported in one of the new articles that several of her staff members have been sick as well, so it’s probably been one big bugfest in that campaign. No doubt Trump and his people are worn out as well (at least those who have stuck with him through most of the campaign) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=20)