# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/421 "2016-09-13T02:07:11Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > Wowsers! > Merkins are seeking a man of steel and get served up a woman of ABS? > > Armageddon is indeed nigh! It’s an allusion to “The Graduate” What can I say? I’m old. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/422 "2016-09-13T02:07:46Z")
> [@](#): > > …she has postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS)… Yeah, well, I saw two seasons of _House_ and I say lupus. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/423 "2016-09-13T02:08:48Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > It’s an allusion to “The Graduate” What can I say? I’m old. My parents said that was pretty good. Songs by Paula Simon. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/424 "2016-09-13T02:10:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … Anyway, it’s perfectly reasonable to look at all this stuff and question the state of Hillary Clinton’s health. It’s also reasonable to look at it simply because of her age. Same with Trump also. When politicians are pushing 70 or are already there it’s important that if they’re going to be elected they will be able to handle the rigors of the job and most likely live out the term in office they’ve been elected to. So here’s the question. Word is that Clinton will release much more of her complete medical record. Do you think Trump will as well? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/425 "2016-09-13T02:13:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Yeah, well, I saw two seasons of _House_ and I say lupus. It’s never lupus. It’s like a Black Swan. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/426 "2016-09-13T02:21:20Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > Both candidates are older, but not too old in comparison to any other Presidents before Obama. Donald Trump would be the oldest person ever elected President for the first time. Clinton, third oldest. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/427 "2016-09-13T02:28:07Z")
Sure, but seventy is the new sixty-eight. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/428 "2016-09-13T02:32:42Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So here’s the question. Word is that Clinton will release much more of her complete medical record. Do you think Trump will as well? He said today that he will. I guess we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/429 "2016-09-13T02:46:42Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > FWIW I do suspect she has [postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS)](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600095/) made worse by the fact that her baseline blood pressure is on the very low normal side. OTOH, she could just be someone who gets excessive vagal tone easily and tends to get syncopal or presyncopal when she is ill and dehydrated. Not everybody who drops their blood pressure when they are sick has POTS. I’ve passed out a couple of times when I’ve been sick and not taking in enough fluids. I’ve seen dozens of otherwise healthy people drop just from having their blood drawn. As far as we know, she has passed out (or nearly passed out) exactly twice in her life, once when she reportedly had a stomach virus and once when she reportedly had pneumonia. Then again, given that I refuse to diagnose somebody without an exam (telemedicine is the devil, y’all), I cannot rule out the possibility of sepsis, severe arrythmia or even hypoadrenalism (hey-JFK had that one and they still let him be president!). In short, as best I can tell in my NSHO, it looks like she ignored her doctor’s advice to rest, overdid it and became lightheaded, did the right thing in terms of leaving the event but did the wrong thing in terms of not sitting or lying down and getting some fluids, came close to passing out, per report then rested and rehydrated, and appeared later that day looking better but decided to take her doctor’s advice and take it a little easy. Now I wait for further reports from her doctor who has actually evaluated her. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/430 "2016-09-13T02:47:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Yeah, well, I saw two seasons of _House_ and I say lupus. Well, I’ve seen many seasons of MASH and I say subdural hematoma! > [@DSeid](#): > > It’s never lupus. It’s like a Black Swan. Black Swan? Isn’t it [zebra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_%28medicine%29), or do you mean the movie? In which case, I say [Rhinoceros](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_%28film%29)! CMC fnord! 'Cause who the fuck in their right mind can tell any of this from parody, or take any of it seriously (without wanting to open an artery) anymore? ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/431 "2016-09-13T02:51:06Z")
BTW, the one thing I’m almost positive about is that it is not lupus. Trust me, she’s had two DVTs and a venous sinus clot and had a full negative hypercoagulable evaluation per her doctor’s note. The one thing she has absolutely been screened for is lupus. (And yes, I HAVE diagnosed lupus in somebody who had an unexplained DVT and House is full of crap. Sometimes it IS lupus. What it never is, is syphylis). ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/432 "2016-09-13T03:02:07Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, how’s her chosen strategy working out for her? Not so good. > > When your biggest problem is that people don’t trust you, best not to lie and confirm that perception. YMMV. What’s the option, however? If she announced on Friday that she’d been diagnosed with pneumonia that day, that’s going to generate news coverage, and a fair chunk of the blogosphere is going to announce that she’s been lying all along about her allergies (which, you may recall, her physician disclosed more than a year ago). If she announces it on Saturday, same thing, with an extra ration of “she’s trying to steal attention away from the memorial.” Probably she started taking antibiotics Friday and was feeling better by Saturday, so she figured she could likely make it through the event. If she did have to cancel Sunday morning, or leave during the event, about the worst that would happen would be that it would generate news coverage and a fair chunk of the blogosphere would announce she’s been lying all along about her allergies. The worst ended up happening, but I don’t see that it is any worse than what would have happened after a Friday announcement. Let’s see: do you take guaranteed bad press or maybe bad press? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/433 "2016-09-13T03:09:16Z")
Doesn’t Bush Sr. have lupus? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/434 "2016-09-13T03:10:44Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > (…What it never is, is syphylis). _Or_ sarcoidosis. (I watched House too.) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/435 "2016-09-13T03:12:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If having a period is a disease, then yes. Is it? Well, men don’t have them, so there must be something wrong with them. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/436 "2016-09-13T03:12:38Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Donald Trump would be the oldest person ever elected President for the first time. > > Clinton, third oldest. I guess should have said in comparison with other Presidents and in comparison to the longer working ages and lifespans we all enjoy today as opposed to 200 or 100 years ago. But in any case, since both are approximately the same age and have the same levels of stamina it’s a crap shoot on age either way - but Clinton has an actual doctor’s note. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/437 "2016-09-13T03:15:30Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I’m not so sure. Checking last sets of polls: > > ABC/WaPo 4-way has only 2% undecided. > > Picking a couple of state ones the NBC/Marist of Georgia 3-way has only 4% undecided and the CBS/YouGov of Ohio has only 6%. > > Undecideds plus third third parties is not even huge. 13% in the ABC/WaPo for example, 14% in the Marist Georgia, 15% in the CBS/YouGov of Ohio. Trust me, there is no way that the number of undecideds is at 2 percent – absolutely no way. I don’t know where they get that data from but that is not consistent with history and it’s not consistent with this election. Those polls are wrong - you heard it here first. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/438 "2016-09-13T03:26:18Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > OTOH, she could just be someone who gets excessive vagal tone easily and tends to get syncopal or presyncopal when she is ill and dehydrated. Not everybody who drops their blood pressure when they are sick has POTS. I’ve passed out a couple of times when I’ve been sick and not taking in enough fluids. I’ve seen dozens of otherwise healthy people drop just from having their blood drawn. As far as we know, she has passed out (or nearly passed out) exactly twice in her life, once when she reportedly had a stomach virus and once when she reportedly had pneumonia. … Well, [hubby](http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/politics/bill-clinton-charlie-rose-hillary-clinton-health/) did offer up that it’s been more often than that, and she’s stated “a few.” > [@](#): > > “Rarely, on more than one occasion, over the last many, many years, the same sort of thing’s happened to her when she got severely dehydrated, and she’s worked like a demon, as you know, as secretary of state, as a senator, and in the years since,” Bill Clinton told Charlie Rose, in a clip of an interview aired on CBS Monday evening. … > > … “You know, it is something that has occurred a few times over the course of my life, and I’m aware of it, and usually can avoid it,” she said. “What happened yesterday was that I just was incredibly committed to being at the memorial – as a senator on 9/11, this is incredibly personal to me.” … But yes I’ve been at plenty of weddings where groomsmen standing at attention in the hot church have gone to ground. Not sick, just hot anxious and legs locked. So sure, not all fainting is POTS. Although for my education, if you know - how frequent, severe, and/or persistent does orthostatic hypotension and fainting have to be to warrant the POTS label? A helluva lot of lanky tennagers, especially but not only girls, go through phases of it that they generally outgrow, and I am generally reluctant to attach the label to it unless it is severe enough that it significantly interferes with their quality of life and is reaching a medication intervention evaluation level. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/439 "2016-09-13T03:31:06Z")
And apparently my spellcheck doesn’t know how to spell syphilis. (Which it also never is). However, it frequently is sarcoidosis-and I gave up on House halfway through the first episode I saw where he sent residents to search a patient’s home which is not only completely unrealistic but also probably illegal. If you want reality, go watch reruns of St. Elsewhere, which is still the closest doctor show to my reality except for the whole dream of an autistic boy thing. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/440 "2016-09-13T03:36:54Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … Those polls are wrong - you heard it here first. Skewed! Skewed I say! Never take a single poll too seriously. Still, given the option of picking a third party instead of saying “I dunno” or making a choice, fairly few are saying “I dunno.” I have had little interest in response to [this op](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=804481) but the reality is that comparing two-way polls to past two cycle two-way-polls the undecideds are not so dramatically great and the RCP rolling average in 4-ways is undecided of only about 6%. 2% is a bit of an outlier but not a dramatic one. The alleged uncertainty is that saying “Johnson” or “Stein” may just be a psychologically more acceptable way to say “I dunno” more than support … they _may_ be a subgroup of undecided or at least not firmly decided. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=23)