# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/601 "2016-09-14T13:42:53Z")
Based on this thread and the other comments section, there appears to be an epidemic of overheating and dehydration in the USA. Perhaps, Bill Clinton, as the First Gentleman, can make that his cause. Hell, Michelle Obama should do a PSA so that her fellow Democrats aren’t stricken. I think we could cut emergency room visits significantly if this dehydration epidemic was dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/602 "2016-09-14T13:54:40Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > Based on this thread and the other comments section, there appears to be an epidemic of overheating and dehydration in the USA. Perhaps, Bill Clinton, as the First Gentleman, can make that his cause. Hell, Michelle Obama should do a PSA so that her fellow Democrats aren’t stricken. I think we could cut emergency room visits significantly if this dehydration epidemic was dealt with. Have you never fallen ill in your life? People get sick. It’s a real thing that happens. ---
**Author:** ![OwnRules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@OwnRules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OwnRules)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/603 "2016-09-14T14:07:13Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > …The sad part is the thousands of innocent lives she plunged into chaos across the region. Not sure why this gets pinned solely on her as Sarkozy was the main agitator for intervening – on the US side, both Gates and Obama were as responsible as Clinton. Not the right thread to expound, but suffice it to say that it was basically a mini-Iraq redux, Democrat style, with many of the same (predictable) results. So yeah, quite tepid on Hillary, but as mentioned upthread, her biggest asset is her opponent. > [@](#): > > Ever think about those poor brown people? To be honest, only in the context of geopolitical convos. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/604 "2016-09-14T14:31:15Z")
“They” say Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. Team Hillary’s kneejerk reaction was to lie about her illness until a video showed tired ol’ Hillary collapsing like a sack of potatoes on Sunday. Team Hillary just can’t seem to stop lying. Even about the small stuff. Old habits die hard. The question is - will the Hillary worshippers finally object to Hillary’s lying, or will they make every effort to redirect the conversation away from Hillary habitual lying? Did ol’ Hillary just lose the election? ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/605 "2016-09-14T14:58:01Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > “They” say Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. Team Hillary’s kneejerk reaction was to lie about her illness until a video showed tired ol’ Hillary collapsing like a sack of potatoes on Sunday. Team Hillary just can’t seem to stop lying. Even about the small stuff. Old habits die hard. > > The question is - will the Hillary worshippers finally object to Hillary’s lying, or will they make every effort to redirect the conversation away from Hillary habitual lying? Did ol’ Hillary just lose the election? Nobody lied about Hillary’s illness. They didn’t run out to every possible media source and scream “Hillary has pneumonia”, but nobody lied. You might say that Hillary lied to herself, but hard working people almost always discount their illnesses. Hillary is no different. On the other hand, Trump has demonized African-Americans, Mexicans and Muslims and promised to treat them as unwelcome in their own country. Clinton’s failure is hubris. Trump’s failure is unAmerican and legitimately evil. This doesn’t even compare. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/606 "2016-09-14T14:58:17Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > “They” say Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. Team Hillary’s kneejerk reaction was to lie about her illness until a video showed tired ol’ Hillary collapsing like a sack of potatoes on Sunday. Cite for these lies, please? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/607 "2016-09-14T15:00:35Z")
> [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](#): > > So when you had this dehydration, you didn’t take a single action other than going to the emergency room. Sit down? Drink water? Remove clothing? You went straight to emergency room? That’s my point. Perhaps you live in Antarctica, but people who suffer from heat illness more or less by definition don’t do these things, _or else they would not exhibit much in the way of visible symptoms_. Heat illness is typically suffered by people who do NOT drink enough water, or get out of the sun, or what have you. Drinking water once you’re symptomatic is too late; you’re going down, like it or not. In workplace health and safety training we go through heat illness training every spring for this very reason; **people don’t notice it’s happening to them until it has.** Seriously, this sort of thing is common as dirt. Happens all the time. I’ve had it a few times. What it has to do with the election beats the hell out of me. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/608 "2016-09-14T15:12:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cite for these lies, please? \*Clinton appeared wobbly and stumbled Sunday as she left a 9/11 commemoration ceremony in New York. Her campaign later revealed she’d been diagnosed Friday with pneumonia – a disclosure that fueled arguments that the Democratic nominee isn’t sufficiently forthcoming about important details. \* From CNN That said. It was a difficult position for Hillary. Given all the conspiracy theory regarding her health, she was in a damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t position. Is “not disclosing” a lie, not in my opinion, but it does reflection on transparency claims. Trump is doing the same thing with his flip-flopping on revealing his medical records now. What bothers me most is that the US will be stuck with one of these candidates, both are probably incapable of passing a physical for employment at McDonald’s, for the next 4 years. I’m voting for the much lesser of the 2 evils, and she’s by far not my first choice. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/609 "2016-09-14T15:24:30Z")
I don’t quite know what to make of all this, but at the very least the video shows to me that Clinton was in very bad shape while getting into that van, and despite coughing fits in the weeks before she would not admit she had pneumonia until pretty much forced to do so. I think someone; newspaper editors, congressmen, etc. should call on not only Clinton but all of her staff to start coming clean. If they are trying to carry (literally) her through the election by hiding what they know about her health they are all complicit in a major deception of not only the people of the USA but the entire world. Maybe it’s just pneumonia and that’s it, but I’d like to see a hell of a lot more transparency and a lot less smoke and mirrors. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/610 "2016-09-14T15:27:38Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > \*Clinton appeared wobbly and stumbled Sunday as she left a 9/11 commemoration ceremony in New York. Her campaign later revealed she’d been diagnosed Friday with pneumonia – a disclosure that fueled arguments that the Democratic nominee isn’t sufficiently forthcoming about important details. > \* > > From CNN > > That said. It was a difficult position for Hillary. Given all the conspiracy theory regarding her health, she was in a damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t position. Is “not disclosing” a lie, not in my opinion, but it does reflection on transparency claims. Trump is doing the same thing with his flip-flopping on revealing his medical records now. > > What bothers me most is that the US will be stuck with one of these candidates, both are probably incapable of passing a physical for employment at McDonald’s, for the next 4 years. > > I’m voting for the much lesser of the 2 evils, and she’s by far not my first choice. So no cite for a “lie”, unsurprisingly. If she had a bout of the runs last week, is she lying by not telling the media? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/611 "2016-09-14T15:35:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So no cite for a “lie”, unsurprisingly. If she had a bout of the runs last week, is she lying by not telling the media? For your reading pleasure. > **[Why did Hillary Clinton lie about her health?](https://theweek.com/articles/648141/why-did-hillary-clinton-lie-about-health)** > > The Clinton campaign concealed her illness from the public. This could have disastrous consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/612 "2016-09-14T15:43:08Z")
**Morganstern** , that dude has very little credibility; this essay by him is little more than light-on-facts concern trolling. I skimmed a couple other editorials by him, and that seems to be his modus operandi. A system in which both candidates are expected to undergo a nonpartisan review of their medical records is reasonable. Expecting Clinto to reveal hers unilaterally while Trump doesn’t is highly unreasonable. Any criticism of Clinton’s lack of transparency that doesn’t mention Trump’s greater opacity is missing the story. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/613 "2016-09-14T15:48:24Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > **Morganstern** , that dude has very little credibility; this essay by him is little more than light-on-facts concern trolling. I skimmed a couple other editorials by him, and that seems to be his modus operandi. > > A system in which both candidates are expected to undergo a nonpartisan review of their medical records is reasonable. Expecting Clinto to reveal hers unilaterally while Trump doesn’t is highly unreasonable. Any criticism of Clinton’s lack of transparency that doesn’t mention Trump’s greater opacity is missing the story. I agree with you there. I think Trump ought to let out his taxes and medical records. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/614 "2016-09-14T15:50:22Z")
The most hilariously entertaining take on Clinton’s little medical/credibility problem comes from pundit Froma Harrop, who reminds us that such things are [a non-issue](https://www.creators.com/read/froma-harrop/09/16/clinton-will-be-fine-trump-never) BECAUSE TRUMP. _“I will dispense with the interminable chitchat of whether she should have revealed the pneumonia several days before. She had no obligation whatsoever to reveal a recoverable illness.”_ Gotta love that term “recoverable illness”. Virtually every condition you can think of falls under that heading - heart attacks, stroke, cancer…well, maybe not _terminal_ cancer. The rest, it’s nobody’s business but the candidate’s. Froma: _“That’s because we have a personage in the United States called vice president. Should the president become incapacitated, the VP would take over.”_ Righto! No need to fuss over the health of pushing-70 presidential candidates. Even if their veeps collapse, there’s still the speaker of the House and so on. I think the most recent poll numbers have Hillaryites in a bit of a panic, or they’d be making more sense. Relax kiddies, she’s still going to have a comfortable Electoral College win to go with a modest popular vote margin, even if Trump doesn’t have another major meltdown (and I certainly wouldn’t wager any significant cash on that one). ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/615 "2016-09-14T15:53:58Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > **Morganstern** , that dude has very little credibility; this essay by him is little more than light-on-facts concern trolling. I skimmed a couple other editorials by him, and that seems to be his modus operandi. > > A system in which both candidates are expected to undergo a nonpartisan review of their medical records is reasonable. Expecting Clinto to reveal hers unilaterally while Trump doesn’t is highly unreasonable. Any criticism of Clinton’s lack of transparency that doesn’t mention Trump’s greater opacity is missing the story. So all his points in that article are false? Look, we know Trump is a dishonest slob. We know he cheats, steals from the poor and probably eats kittens. Bit Hillary isn’t a goddess incapable of the same things. And, since day one, Hillary and her truthfulness have been a campaign issue for the Trumpsters. They have even run an ad featuring Bill’s “lies” back to back with Hillary “lying.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/616 "2016-09-14T15:55:01Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > For your reading pleasure. > > [Why did Hillary Clinton lie about her health? | The Week](http://theweek.com/articles/648141/why-did-hillary-clinton-lie-about-health) Where’s the lie? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/617 "2016-09-14T16:03:13Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > … > > _“I will dispense with the interminable chitchat of whether she should have revealed the pneumonia several days before. She had no obligation whatsoever to reveal a recoverable illness.”_ > > … I would disagree with the last sentence in that paragraph. Look back to 2008. McCain, a cancer survivor, chose (or his handlers did) Sarah Palin. Sarah was a nice, albeit scatterbrained, person. How many people didn’t vote McCain for fear that he would succumb to cancer and Sarah would have become POTUS? I’m sure there was a handful in that camp. If you’re running for POTUS, your health _should_ be a campaign issue and fully disclosed by the candidate. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/618 "2016-09-14T16:03:25Z")
I can overlook the lying and lack of transparency as part of the definition of politician, but she lost my vote when she decided to parrot the racist, bullshit, anti-white rhetoric of the left. Thought she had more class and tact than that… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/619 "2016-09-14T16:05:14Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > I can overlook the lying and lack of transparency as part of the definition of politician, but she lost my vote when she decided to parrot the racist, bullshit, anti-white rhetoric of the left. What “racist” and “anti-white” rhetoric? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/620 "2016-09-14T16:07:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Where’s the lie? Here, the result of Politifact fact checking. > **[The 7 Wildest Lies From Hillary Clinton](https://thepoliticalinsider.com/t-day-evergreen-7-wildest-lies-hillary-clinton/)** > > Normally, we’d like to focus on positive thoughts around the holiday season. But with Hillary Clinton very recently using the \[…\] Of course, Trump’s page of lies would take up volumes, but stones, glass house, etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=32)