# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/641 "2016-09-14T19:41:13Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Was it just an image of Pepe divorced of any context? As the Wiki on Pepe says, Pepe belongs to everybody. If the context was Pepe saying alt-right things, then they could have simply been scouring the web for an appropriate alt-right meme and used it without thinking further, just like they did with the other, less savory, hidden memes they had found in the past. > > If it was just an image of pepe out of context then I have no clue what’s up with that. It was Pepe with Trump’s hair: > **[Donald Trump: The Deplorables](https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/donald-trump-the-deplorables/)** But there’s more to it as I said earlier: > [@CarnalK](#): > > It’s not exactly a dog whistle. Some white supremacists have actively tried to make it a nazi symbol. I posted the dailybeast article a couple of days ago that the Clinton page references. > [How Pepe the Frog Became a Nazi Trump Supporter and Alt-Right Symbol](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/how-pepe-the-frog-became-a-nazi-trump-supporter-and-alt-right-symbol.html) > > It’s from last May so it can’t be seen as a reaction to the “deplorables” dust up. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/642 "2016-09-14T19:53:24Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > For your reading pleasure. > > [Why did Hillary Clinton lie about her health? | The Week](http://theweek.com/articles/648141/why-did-hillary-clinton-lie-about-health) Even your own cite tacitly admits that she did not lie: > [@](#): > > Let’s be clear about what this means: Her campaign intended to lie. The tacit admission comes in a declaration that the Clinton campaign would lie, was going to lie, intended to lie… but no declaration that a lie had already occurred. Your cite fails you and does not support your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/643 "2016-09-14T19:54:12Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Will those claiming Hillary’s illness should cost her the election now admit that by their own standards, Trump should also be disqualified and/or that this should cost HIM the election? You mean when he collapses at a public event? Sure. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/644 "2016-09-14T20:00:26Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Cite for Hillary’s racist, anti-white, rhetoric? Well, she turned me into a newt. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/645 "2016-09-14T20:07:16Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Even your own cite tacitly admits that she did not lie:The tacit admission comes in a declaration that the Clinton campaign would lie, was going to lie, intended to lie… but no declaration that a lie had already occurred. > > Your cite fails you and does not support your argument. If you would reread my posts, you will see I never made such a claim. Therefore, I have no argument to support. I did not say she lied about being sick. In fact, I said hiding something isn’t really lying. My case with respect to her lying is for all the other lies she’s told, and there are many, albeit, not as many as the Trumpster. So, I left with choosing the lesser liar to vote for. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/646 "2016-09-14T20:21:44Z")
The “confusion” happened because you jumped in to reply for doorhinge who did say Clinton lied about having pneumonia. In post 608, which you began with a quote about her pneumonia. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/647 "2016-09-14T22:41:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Can you provide any other plausible explanation for why a Trump campaign picture would include such an unusual, specific image? If it’s not a shout out to the white supremacists, why on earth is it there? It’s there because people post random shit on websites like 4Chan, one of which was a crappy, forgettable webcomic that was nonetheless not forgotten. Somebody posted a picture of a cartoon frog from that webcomic in another context, and other people remembered the frog and reused it. People saw it used, modified it, and posted their own versions, most of which were probably forgotten. Then somebody put Trump’s hair on it, and people remembered the Trump Pepe and reused it. Then Trump’s son saw a silly picture of a Trump frog, remembered it, and put it in his picture making light of Hillary Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” line. You are committing the creationist’s fallacy. You assume that this unlikely combination must be the product of deliberate, sinister design, but only because you don’t see the thousands of permutations over multiple generations that never made it this far. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/648 "2016-09-14T22:51:39Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > More amateur punditry. > > At least you’re making something close to a testable prediction, so we can either nod sagely or point and laugh in two weeks. But let’s put a finer point on it. What constitutes a “huge issue” in terms of the 538 forecast to you? So here’s the update. On 9-11-16 According to 538’s aggregate analysis Trump had a 29.5% chance of winning. On 9-14-16 a few minutes ago he has risen to 35.8%. Yes I think that is significant especially if the trend continues. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/649 "2016-09-14T22:55:08Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > Nobody lied about Hillary’s illness. They didn’t run out to every possible media source and scream “Hillary has pneumonia”, but nobody lied. You might say that Hillary lied to herself, but hard working people almost always discount their illnesses. Hillary is no different. (post shortened) Ol’ Hillary’s cough was first noticed by the public when she first entertained the press on her new plane. Of course, the media never, ever, asks ol’ Hillary about her health. :rolleyes: Last Friday, ol’ tired Hillary was finally, allegedly, diagnosed as having pneumonia. Shhhhhh, don’t tell the voters. On Saturday, nope, still no word from Team Hillary. On Sunday, ol’ tired, sick, Hillary collapses like a sack of potatoes. Ol’ Hillary is rushed to the 1st rate healthcare facility known as Chelsey’s apartment. Must be an obamacare facility??? After it’s discovered that there is a video of ol’ Hillary collapsing like a sack of potatoes, Team Hillary waits only 90 minutes before deciding that they must admit something to the media/public. SOP. Don’t admit anything. Lie whenever possible. Nobody talks - everybody walks. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/650 "2016-09-14T23:30:09Z")
Do they all _walk_ like a sack of potatoes? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/651 "2016-09-14T23:45:04Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > So here’s the update. On 9-11-16 According to 538’s aggregate analysis Trump had a 29.5% chance of winning. On 9-14-16 a few minutes ago he has risen to 35.8%. Yes I think that is significant especially if the trend continues. Is any of that due to this incident, though? It’s only been three days since this happened. Polls being released over the last couple of days were still mostly taken last week, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/652 "2016-09-14T23:46:47Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > So here’s the update. On 9-11-16 According to 538’s aggregate analysis Trump had a 29.5% chance of winning. On 9-14-16 a few minutes ago he has risen to 35.8%. Yes I think that is significant especially if the trend continues. Did I miss a post? Did you respond to my challenge to quantify your prediction? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/653 "2016-09-14T23:56:30Z")
> **[CNN/ORC polls: Trump's national gains extend to Florida, Ohio | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/cnn-orc-poll-florida-ohio-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/)** > > With eight weeks to go before Election Day, Donald Trump holds a narrow lead over Hillary Clinton in Ohio and the two are locked in a near-even contest in Florida, according to new CNN/ORC polls in the two critical battleground states. It’s an even race, folks. 538 isn’t keeping up. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/654 "2016-09-15T00:00:51Z")
> **[CNN/ORC polls: Trump's national gains extend to Florida, Ohio | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/cnn-orc-poll-florida-ohio-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/)** > > With eight weeks to go before Election Day, Donald Trump holds a narrow lead over Hillary Clinton in Ohio and the two are locked in a near-even contest in Florida, according to new CNN/ORC polls in the two critical battleground states. We’re not even at the point where the full impact of her health scare is going to be felt – these are the polls that showed the reaction to Hillary’s basket of deplorables comment. The basket of deplorables comment convinced independent voters (in their eyes) that she’s an elitist bitch. The images of her being carried into her van like the corpse in Weekend at Bernie’s proved a conspiracy theory correct – in addition to reinforcing the perception that she’s hiding the truth about herself. The polls won’t tell the full picture until probably Friday or perhaps Monday. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/655 "2016-09-15T00:10:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We’re not even at the point where the full impact of her health scare is going to be felt – these are the polls that showed the reaction to Hillary’s basket of deplorables comment. The basket of deplorables comment convinced independent voters (in their eyes) that she’s an elitist bitch. The images of her being carried into her van like the corpse in Weekend at Bernie’s proved a conspiracy theory correct – in addition to reinforcing the perception that she’s hiding the truth about herself. The polls won’t tell the full picture until probably Friday or perhaps Monday. You are a wise person. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/656 "2016-09-15T00:15:31Z")
Look, you really got to relax. You clearly don’t understand polls. First off, he was already +1 in a Nevada poll from last week, +2 in a poll from this week that only partially overlaps the pneumonia incident. Similarly in Florida he had +3 in one poll and now a +4 in another that was completed on the 12th. In both states the aggregate is within a point. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/657 "2016-09-15T00:17:27Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/cnn-orc-poll-florida-ohio-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/](http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/cnn-orc-poll-florida-ohio-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/) > > It’s an even race, folks. 538 isn’t keeping up. I trust Nate Silver’s analysis far, far more than yours. Why on earth would I accept yours over his? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/658 "2016-09-15T00:19:35Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Did I miss a post? Did you respond to my challenge to quantify your prediction? Nope didn’t post it. I won’t tell you what I was thinking because you probably wouldn’t believe me. > [@asahi](#): > > [http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/cnn-orc-poll-florida-ohio-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/](http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/cnn-orc-poll-florida-ohio-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/) > > It’s an even race, folks. 538 isn’t keeping up. That’s not how 538 works. It looks at many different polls from all states. It also takes into account how accurate the individual polls have been. They keep up just fine. A few polls swinging one way will move their indicator but not have a that a dramatic change. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/659 "2016-09-15T00:20:29Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Well, she turned me into a newt. She turned you into a Gingrich? Man, that’s harsh. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/660 "2016-09-15T00:36:57Z")
You really have to wonder about this candidate. It’s just stunning that she has not been able to put Trump away. How _can_ the Democrats have put up someone as bad as she has been? Joe “foot in mouth” Biden would have absolutely buried Trump by now. And I have to believe Bernie would at least be in solid shape. But no, the DNC scuttled Bernie in order to give us this crap show. Simply brutal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=34)