# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/61 "2016-09-11T18:32:51Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > We’ve had spouses fill in as shadow Presidents before. Wilson and Eisenhower both had health crises. Their wives quietly stepped in. > > Bill Clinton is Constitutionally restricted from serving again. What happens if Hillary has a heart attack like Eisenhower? He never left office. Will this trigger a Constitutional crises if rumors start that Bill is calling the shots like Mamie Eisenhower? Mamie’s role has never been fully researched. Historians don’t know what she did or what decisions she made. So how do you know that she stepped in? What evidence do you have that’s more than rumors? And who is putting out these rumors? I can’t even find them. ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/62 "2016-09-11T18:35:10Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Video: [Hillary Clinton 'collapse': Video shows Democrat 'fainting' at 9/11 memorial | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-collapse-faint-video-9-11-memorial-democrat-ill-overheated-latest-a7237276.html%3famp?client=safari) I can’t wait to see **DSeid** attempt to explain this one away. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/63 "2016-09-11T18:36:13Z")
Heat stroke smeat stroke. Here is what really happened. HillaryRodamClinton@Hillarysbasementandwinecellar Dear Hillary. Know you have been looking for those missing emails about Yoga classes and that cheeze wiz caviar recipe I had sent you awhile back. Good news. I finally found them! Also sending them to my bestest friend Trumpypoo, as I had heard your Blackberries keep getting broken. He said he would get them to his Secret Service people and they would rush them over to yours. Best Wishes! Putin (on the Ritz…the recipe that is…hah!) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/64 "2016-09-11T18:37:23Z")
The real issue is that people can explain away this incident i.e. it was hot and muggy, but the set up is there if this happens once or twice more. What will happen if Hillary misses an interview due to feeling ill or has to take a day of rest. Pubs will harken back to today and say, “I told you so.” ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/65 "2016-09-11T18:43:25Z")
Everyone is a fucking pundit these days. All we can talk about is how an imagined swing voter will interpret political events, but not how we interpret them. It’s weird. And most of us have no ability to empathize with the kind of person who could be undecided about electing Donald Trump to be President, so it’s all just pointless naval gazing. Hillary fainted. Two hours later she was fine. Heat exhaustion is a perfectly plausible explanation. Maybe it’s something else. She should show more of her medical records. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/66 "2016-09-11T18:46:11Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > So how do you know that she stepped in? What evidence do you have that’s more than rumors? And who is putting out these rumors? I can’t even find them. I remember it in my history books in high school. Wilson especially was shielded by his wife. Pretty much cut off from his staff. Decisions still got made. Back then the press didn’t have instant access like they do today. Here’s an abstract of an article on Eisenhower and how his health effected his Presidency. Anyone know how to get the full article? I’d love to read it. I’d even pay to get it. > **[The impact of presidential illness on the administration of Dwight D....](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23379313/)** > > In March 2008, I published an article in this journal that examined the ways in which the White House managed the news--and minimized the political impact--of Dwight D. Eisenhower's massive 1955 heart attack. In addition, the analysis explored the... ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/67 "2016-09-11T18:48:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That won’t be it. The tighty righty internet is all abuzz about her VP choice, and the emerging scandal about Kaine and his brother. The liberal media has been smothering it but its just about to break! Can you expand on this Kaine and his brother thing? I can’t find a single thing about it online. ---
**Author:** ![Neo-Calredic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/96bed5/32.png) [@Neo-Calredic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neo-Calredic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/68 "2016-09-11T18:48:13Z")
I’m trying to convince myself that this won’t matter in the long run, but I can’t shake the sinking feeling that this is exactly the kind of stupid “Dukakis in the tank” moment that the Right is so good at seizing upon. The bullshit reality is that Hillary is being graded on an absurd curve by the media and in the court of public opinion, and stuff like this that should barely matter is almost guaranteed to be blown way out of proportion. Trump needs to start making some more huge mistakes again, and fast. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/69 "2016-09-11T18:48:29Z")
She should release full medical records—_and relentlessly call for Trump to release his_. Trump has some serious issues that he’s getting a pass on explaining. For example, it’s been known for months that Trump compulsively returns to New York from any and all campaign stops and rallies so that he can sleep in his own bed. The many hours wasted on theses trips back and forth is obviously time that Trump’s campaign staff would like to see used more productively–but apparently Trump can’t sleep in any bed other than the one he’s used to. That is not normal. Yet this isn’t being discussed, much. Back in January the topic came up in relation to Trump’s primary chances: > [@](#): > > Trump’s determination to sleep at home every night raises eyebrows among election campaign veterans, who say it could cost him. Voters in Iowa and New Hampshire often want more personal attention; they feel they play a special role in choosing presidential nominees because their contests are held first. [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKBN0UM17220160108](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKBN0UM17220160108) Of course he did win that primary, despite the weirdness of flying back and forth so much instead of campaigning. But the weirdness deserves scrutiny. We need to see Trump’s full medical records. Clinton must release her own, then renew calls to see Trump’s. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/70 "2016-09-11T18:50:52Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > What will happen if Hillary misses an interview due to feeling ill or has to take a day of rest. You mean like when Trump cancelled events with no explanations 2 weeks ago? > **[Donald Trump Cancels Speeches in Colorado, Nevada and Oregon](https://time.com/4462274/donald-trump-cancels-colorado-nevada-oregon-speeches/)** > > His campaign manager had billed this week as "immigration week" ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/71 "2016-09-11T18:52:52Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > That video is pretty bad. This is no mere “stumble”, as if she tripped over a crack in the pavement or something. She is leaning against the post and has someone holding her up tightly at the shoulder, and when the car arrives, she looks like she can’t even stand. She doesn’t take a single step - if you watch her feet, it seems like she was literally just dragged into the car. > > “Overheating” is a weak explanation. They are in downtown NYC on September morning, not the Sahara desert, and you don’t see anyone else in the video nearly collapsing. > > I think Hillary would be a better president than Trump even if she spent her entire term on life support in a hospital bed, but this video definitely _suggests_ that there is something unusually wrong with her besides just being 68 years old. I hope they manage to come up with a more convincing explanation. It suggests nothing of the sort. Have you ever suffered from heat exhaustion? I have, and it can be completely debilitating. You don’t realize that you’ve overdone it until it hits you like a sack of cement. Legs don’t function, profuse sweating, nausea, dizziness; not fun at all, and I’m surprised she lasted 90 minutes. As mentioned, it was 80s and humid. People handle the heat differently. I’m a complete wuss at 80 degrees, whereas my daughter happily lounges in the 90s. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/72 "2016-09-11T18:53:18Z")
Melania is waiting for Trump in that bed. I’d rush home too. EVERY night. 😃 Get my daily exercise. I agree. Both candidates need to fully disclose health records. Put this issue to rest. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/73 "2016-09-11T18:56:09Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Can you expand on this Kaine and his brother thing? I can’t find a single thing about it online. Joke about Kaine and Abel ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/74 "2016-09-11T18:57:06Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > That video is pretty bad. This is no mere “stumble”, as if she tripped over a crack in the pavement or something. She is leaning against the post and has someone holding her up tightly at the shoulder, and when the car arrives, she looks like she can’t even stand. She doesn’t take a single step - if you watch her feet, it seems like she was literally just dragged into the car. > > “Overheating” is a weak explanation. They are in downtown NYC on September morning, not the Sahara desert, and you don’t see anyone else in the video nearly collapsing. > > I think Hillary would be a better president than Trump even if she spent her entire term on life support in a hospital bed, but this video definitely _suggests_ that there is something unusually wrong with her besides just being 68 years old. I hope they manage to come up with a more convincing explanation. My guess would be dehydration. She’s probably got some level of incontinence issues and avoided drinking in order to avoid frequent, entourage-complicated, “bad-optics” pee breaks. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/75 "2016-09-11T18:59:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The media bias is sickening. > > CNN has the audacity to call this a stumble? > > Her legs were buckling before taking a step. She was being held up and supported. Otherwise she would have gone to the ground. Was that Chelsea helping her? Whoever it was struggled to support Hillary. Hillary was in real distress. > > CNN flat out lying doesn’t help. Watch the video. > [http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-leaves-9-11-event-early-rs.cnn](http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-leaves-9-11-event-early-rs.cnn) Your observations are, as usual, sparkling and on point, with an abundance of nuance and analytical rigor. I’m glad that you’re here to make sure that we’re not blinded by all the partisan hackery. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/76 "2016-09-11T18:59:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Joke about Kaine and Abel I guess you just _had_ to do that! And I was having such a good time! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/77 "2016-09-11T19:06:33Z")
So, OK, a challenge. Both of them, onstage, live, ten minutes on the treadmill, lift a few weights, ten minutes on the rowing machine. Then the news will be all atwitter about the gala opening of Trump Tomb. Shit, Trump can’t even walk downstairs, he needs an escalator to go _down_! ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/78 "2016-09-11T19:07:14Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > It suggests nothing of the sort. Have you ever suffered from heat exhaustion? I have, and it can be completely debilitating. You don’t realize that you’ve overdone it until it hits you like a sack of cement. Legs don’t function, profuse sweating, nausea, dizziness; not fun at all, and I’m surprised she lasted 90 minutes. As mentioned, it was 80s and humid. People handle the heat differently. I’m a complete wuss at 80 degrees, whereas my daughter happily lounges in the 90s. I hate hot weather - the optimal temperature for me is about 50 degrees with a breeze - but I’ve never had to be dragged across the pavement into a car as a result of standing outside for 90 minutes. What is suggestive is the fact that she appears to be the only one at the event who suffered any kind of issue. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/79 "2016-09-11T19:10:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I remember it in my history books in high school. Wilson especially was shielded by his wife. Pretty much cut off from his staff. Decisions still got made. Back then the press didn’t have instant access like they do today. > > Here’s an abstract of an article on Eisenhower and how his health effected his Presidency. Anyone know how to get the full article? I’d love to read it. I’d even pay to get it. > [The impact of presidential illness on the administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower - PubMed](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23379313) Wilson sure. Mamie Eisenhower? Never heard it. Don’t believe it. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/80 "2016-09-11T19:14:44Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > I hate hot weather - the optimal temperature for me is about 50 degrees with a breeze - but I’ve never had to be dragged across the pavement into a car as a result of standing outside for 90 minutes. What is suggestive is the fact that she appears to be the only one at the event who suffered any kind of issue. I’ve suffered heat exhaustion. Went out for a short walk and forgot my water bottle, came to some time later face down in my front yard with little recollection of how I got there. I was 26 and had recently passed a rigorous health exam. It’s easy to dehydrate, and once you are dehydrated the heat can sneak up on you very quickly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=5)