# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/822 "2016-09-20T14:52:53Z")
And if dehydration is her only problem she’ll probably be fine, if she has a neurological problem as many suspect from her odd behavior then the stress of the debate could cause an episode. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/823 "2016-09-20T14:55:39Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > And if dehydration is her only problem she’ll probably be fine, if she has a neurological problem as many suspect from her odd behavior then the stress of the debate could cause an episode. Do you think she has neurological problems? I’m trying to gauge my response here. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/824 "2016-09-20T15:04:04Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > And if dehydration is her only problem she’ll probably be fine, if she has a neurological problem as many suspect from her odd behavior then the stress of the debate could cause an episode. LOL. “Many suspect.” Speculation about “a neurological problem” has no basis in any actual diagnosis, and in the media it is the product of a bunch of politically-motivated hacks who traffic in nothing but “Just Asking Questions” disingenuousness along with outright untruths. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/825 "2016-09-20T15:28:17Z")
And actually, the widespread nature of right-wing conspiracy theories should tell you something about whether Hillary would lose if she collapsed again. Fact is, we are in a wildly partisan environment. Both candidates are gonna get 40%+ regardless of how many supporters they shoot on 5th Ave. Hillary could tear off her human mask and reveal that she’s Sidney Blumenthal’s cyborg and Democrats will say “still better than Trump” and Republicans will say “I knew it all along!” In this environment, there are no “just lost the election” moments. There are only marginal changes that can be swamped by later events and reversion to the mean. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/826 "2016-09-20T15:34:40Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > The idea behind this thread is that Clinton lost by collapsing after leaving early from a 9/11 event. Some claim that wasn’t enough, I’m asking if it happens a second time during a nationally televised debate do you think she can survive that. No, she wouldn’t survive it. If Donald collapses during a debate, he wouldn’t survive that, either. Both events are equally unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/827 "2016-09-20T20:45:55Z")
Hillary is still failing to put the stop on her slide. This hurts. 538, odds of winning. Hillary Clinton 56.3% Donald Trump 43.7% She’s been in a downward spiral since she collapsed. Someone, do something. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/828 "2016-09-20T20:53:18Z")
He is. He’s talking. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/829 "2016-09-20T21:32:20Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Hillary is still failing to put the stop on her slide. This hurts. > > 538, odds of winning. > > Hillary Clinton > 56.3% > > Donald Trump > 43.7% > > She’s been in a downward spiral since she collapsed. Someone, do something. I’m just counting down the days until it’s been a week and Nate Silver has officially given you all permission to panic. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/830 "2016-09-20T21:34:17Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > No, she wouldn’t survive it. > If Donald collapses during a debate, he wouldn’t survive that, either. > > Both events are equally unlikely. Really? How many times has Clinton collapsed and how many times has Trump collapsed? I think it’s one area Clinton is the clear leader. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/831 "2016-09-20T21:40:49Z")
Hillary needs to do something that portrays health and vigor. Film of her riding a bicycle, sailing in a sailboat. Taking a hike in a park. She’s behind in the health concerns and really needs to do something to get the confidence of the voter back. Just standing behind a podium won’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/832 "2016-09-20T22:06:12Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Hillary is still failing to put the stop on her slide. This hurts. > > 538, odds of winning. > > Hillary Clinton > 56.3% > > Donald Trump > 43.7% > > She’s been in a downward spiral since she collapsed. Someone, do something. Hey, I’m wringing my hands as hard as I can. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/833 "2016-09-20T22:18:07Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > So would you agree that she’s lost if she collapses during the debates? It will be interesting to see if (retired?) US Secret Service Agent Todd Madison will be in the wings while ol’ Hillary debates Trump. Just in case ol’ Hillary has a coughing fit, or a seizure, or collapses like a sack of potatoes live on stage. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/834 "2016-09-20T22:22:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It will be interesting to see if (retired?) US Secret Service Agent Todd Madison will be in the wings while ol’ Hillary debates Trump. Just in case ol’ Hillary has a coughing fit, or a seizure, or collapses like a sack of potatoes live on stage. Indeed. It will also be interesting to see if the lizard people let slip their guise and we see for a moment Hillary’s reptilian skin. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/835 "2016-09-20T22:26:09Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Hillary needs to do something that portrays health and vigor. …sailing in a sailboat. But not windsurfing. Ask John Kerry. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/836 "2016-09-20T22:58:00Z")
It didn’t matter what he did, if he won the arm wrestling championship they’d wonder why he liked being around sweaty guys so much. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/837 "2016-09-20T23:16:18Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > But not windsurfing. Ask John Kerry. And stay away from the tanks. ---
**Author:** ![Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pearl\_Clutching\_Provocateur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pearl_Clutching_Provocateur)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/838 "2016-09-20T23:53:50Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Hillary needs to do something that portrays health and vigor. Film of her riding a bicycle, sailing in a sailboat. Taking a hike in a park. She’s behind in the health concerns and really needs to do something to get the confidence of the voter back. Just standing behind a podium won’t do it. “Hillary Clinton is taking the day off again, she needs the rest. Sleep well Hillary - see you at the debate!” Trump Tweet. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/839 "2016-09-20T23:59:16Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Hillary is still failing to put the stop on her slide. This hurts. > > 538, odds of winning. > > Hillary Clinton > 56.3% > > Donald Trump > 43.7% > > She’s been in a downward spiral since she collapsed. Someone, do something. I was hoping that his troubles with the Donald J Trump foundation would cause problems, but maybe not. It seems like the entire “foundation” is bullshit philanthropy, funded by other billionaires like Vince McMahon and one of the recipients is Citizens United. Maybe a non-story after all. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/840 "2016-09-21T00:54:56Z")
I hate to be the boring person here, and seriously don’t let me get in the way of a good panic attack attack … but you do all realize that the polls being used in those calculations almost all reflect the week of Clinton being off the trail and before Trump’s Birther Bit? The national trackers that include dates after that both showed two points to Clinton’s upside from their previous measures (the NBC/SM completely before her pneumonia episode and the LA Times ome still overlapping with it). One state polls is of dates after her return to the trail - Rasmussen’s Nevada showing Trump 3. Which by itself flips Nevada in 538’s polls. Yes, her polls dropped during that week. If they are as low when we have a solid collection of polls reflective of the week after she got back on the trail then I’ll join the hand wringing brigade. But the early data from the trackers is that they will bounce back quickly. Still … have fun! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/841 "2016-09-21T13:50:36Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I hate to be the boring person here, and seriously don’t let me get in the way of a good panic attack attack … > > … > Still … have fun! 538, 9/21/2016 Hillary Clinton 57.1% Donald Trump 42.9% Faster Hillary, faster. Someone push her wheelchair faster please…He’s close enough to see the white of his eyes. Wait, they’re not white, they’re red. Wait, we gained a little last night, did the Donald stop for some skittles? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=43)