# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/862 "2016-09-23T01:48:45Z")
She’s not old enough? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/863 "2016-09-23T03:08:56Z")
I watched the video and I don’t get the problem. I think maybe you just have to be a Hillary hater for that to resonate the way **Starving Artist** is describing. (And it’s not like I just never see any video of Hillary as damaging: clearly the one where she is collapsing and is basically carried into the van was bad. She also had a response to the ISIS attack in France that was very tone deaf and equivocating that made me wince.) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/864 "2016-09-23T03:19:06Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I watched the video and I don’t get the problem. I think maybe you just have to be a Hillary hater for that to resonate the way **Starving Artist** is describing. (And it’s not like I just never see any video of Hillary as damaging: clearly the one where she is collapsing and is basically carried into the van was bad. She also had a response to the ISIS attack in France that was very tone deaf and equivocating that made me wince.) Same here. I thought it was a good message. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/865 "2016-09-23T10:17:54Z")
Huh. Somewhat analogous, perhaps, to people’s reactions to Sarah Palin, 8 years ago: almost independent of her politics (or not), there were some people who had a visceral revulsion to her _voice_ (accent, intonation, etc.), while others didn’t mind it. (I happen to be in the first category). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/866 "2016-09-23T11:10:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The words ‘old’ and ‘lady’ never entered my mind while watching that. Neither did ‘emotional’ for that matter. > > Words like shrill and stiff and phony and awkward and forced and painfully uncharismatic, however, did. Damn shrill ladies, going on in a voice that’s higher than a man’s. Why you gotta use your shrill voice all the time, ladies? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/867 "2016-09-23T13:58:36Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I don’t think we are agreeing - that isn’t an upside imho. The Trump Institute shenanigans are a big story that might turn into old news. 538 this morning. Hillary Clinton 60.5% Donald Trump 39.5% My point is, _it appears_, absent the overwhelming Trump coverage of the news networks, Clinton is creeping back up in this poll. If Clinton can stay above 60% between now and November, I’m going to feel much better. It really doesn’t matter what Trump says or does, his followers are convinced that anything negative is the result of the evil media trying to defeat him. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/868 "2016-09-23T14:52:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Damn shrill ladies, going on in a voice that’s higher than a man’s. Why you gotta use your shrill voice all the time, ladies? Dr. Girlfriend for president! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/869 "2016-09-23T15:01:40Z")
Yes there are a certain number that are “his followers” and who will vote for him no matter what. And a certain number who will vote for Clinton no matter what. For them none of the rest of this matters. What is in play are: the numbers that will probably vote for one or the other … or may stay home, or vote other; the numbers who probably won’t vote but could realistically be convinced to; and a very few who are not sure yet who they want to for or against more. On election day members of those groups will be a relatively small fraction of the voters, and the only ones of them who really matter are in only a handful of states, but they theoretically are the difference between outcomes ranging all the way from a Clinton blow-out to a narrow Trump win. Some number of them are swung by news cycles, by what Trump says or does, by what Clinton says or does, by what is said about them. It really does matter. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/870 "2016-09-23T15:32:44Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > My point is, _it appears_, absent the overwhelming Trump coverage of the news networks, Clinton is creeping back up in this poll. I think that is kind of leaping to a conclusion without much evidence. You have to remember that polls aren’t reported in real time. If you look at the charts on Real Clear they tell you the dates of when the poll was taken. How many of them include days after the unrest started in Charlotte? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/871 "2016-09-23T15:47:46Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > My point is, _it appears_, absent the overwhelming Trump coverage of the news networks, Clinton is creeping back up in this poll. If Clinton can stay above 60% between now and November, I’m going to feel much better. The difference between 57% and 60% is basically nothing. Either way the election is effectively a tossup. If you are the slightest bit comfortable with Donald Trump have a 37% chance of striking a death blow to the American experiment… well, you shouldn’t be. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/872 "2016-09-23T21:51:28Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Yes there are a certain number that are “his followers” and who will vote for him no matter what. > > And a certain number who will vote for Clinton no matter what. > > For them none of the rest of this matters. > > What is in play are: the numbers that will probably vote for one or the other … or may stay home, or vote other; the numbers who probably won’t vote but could realistically be convinced to; and a very few who are not sure yet who they want to for or against more. > > On election day members of those groups will be a relatively small fraction of the voters, and the only ones of them who really matter are in only a handful of states, but they theoretically are the difference between outcomes ranging all the way from a Clinton blow-out to a narrow Trump win. > > Some number of them are swung by news cycles, by what Trump says or does, by what Clinton says or does, by what is said about them. > > It really does matter. It’s a good point. Leaving the swing state aspect aside since they tend to move along with the rest of the country, a shift of three points in the national numbers is a huge proportion of the number of people who actually can even theoretically be moved I would say absent the old “live boy or dead girl” black swan situation, but Trump himself is what I would have called a black swan in the past, so who knows. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/873 "2016-09-23T22:01:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > …striking a death blow to the American experiment… Says the person supporting a candidate who smashed Blackberries with a hammer so the FBI couldn’t get them… ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/874 "2016-09-23T22:12:40Z")
> [@ChickenLegs](#): > > Says the person supporting a candidate who smashed Blackberries with a hammer so the FBI couldn’t get them… Says the person supporting a candidate who uses his “charity” foundation to pay off court settlements and bribe an Attorney General. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/875 "2016-09-23T22:30:38Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > 538’s tracking of odds of winning seems to be updated frequently. It’s showing a slow climb for Clinton. Very slow. > > No doubt the non-stop news coverage of the unrest in Charlotte is hurting Trump as he seemed to receive most of the news coverage prior to this event. As predicted in post #843:D I don’t know if it’s related to Charlotte though, and it’s entirely possible that the unrest there actually hurts Clinton. But I’m not sure we can really see this unrest, in and of itself, benefiting either candidate. It’s more about how each responds to it. Trump has made some strident remarks but that fires up some of his base supporters and there might even be moderate sympathizers. I don’t think angry mobs are going to ‘sell’ Clinton to voters. Rather, I suspect that the birther controversy and his inability to put it to rest is what hurt Trump, and perhaps some of the news about his foundation. The outreach to black America perhaps is beginning to be revealed as a sham – which it should be. That said, Trump is not really and truly targeting teh African American vote. He’s just trying to be less repulsive to more educated and moderate white voters who can’t consciously bring themselves to vote for a racist, sexist pig. If he can just convince them long enough that he’s not really so racist, not really so sexist…then they might actually consider voting for him in an attempt to save White Christian America. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/876 "2016-09-24T00:18:59Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Says the person supporting a candidate who uses his “charity” foundation to pay off court settlements and bribe an Attorney General. Yes. Seriously. No s\*\*t. But stop pretending like Immoral Trump is the end of the Republic, and Scofflaw Clinton isn’t. I have never seen so many panties in a bunch as I have on this website… ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/877 "2016-09-24T01:32:39Z")
> [@ChickenLegs](#): > > Yes. Seriously. No s\*\*t. But stop pretending like Immoral Trump is the end of the Republic, and Scofflaw Clinton isn’t. > > I have never seen so many panties in a bunch as I have on this website… So go back to Freerepublic. Or Stormfront. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/878 "2016-09-24T01:36:56Z")
Is there a sub over at reddit, with people posting pictures of panties all bunched up? Asking for a friend. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/879 "2016-09-24T01:44:11Z")
I could be wrong but it would seem like riots would favor challengers over incumbents. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/880 "2016-09-24T01:55:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Words like shrill and stiff and phony and awkward and forced and painfully uncharismatic, however, did. Oh, nobody is Perfect, SA. You are Way Too Hard on yourself! > [@ChickenLegs](#): > > I have never seen so many panties in a bunch as I have on this website… And you still keep coming back. Umm… Thanks…! ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/881 "2016-09-24T02:46:12Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > I could be wrong but it would seem like riots would favor challengers over incumbents. Alas, President Obama’s chance for re-election is looking very slim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=45)