# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/81 "2016-09-11T19:25:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Joke about Kaine and Abel > [@elucidator](#): > > I guess you just _had_ to do that! And I was having such a good time! That’s gonna leave a mark! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/82 "2016-09-11T19:30:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Melania is waiting for Trump in that bed. > > I’d rush home too. EVERY night. 😃 Get my daily exercise. > > I agree. Both candidates need to fully disclose health records. Put this issue to rest. Nah. He probably uses a c-pap machine and takes a boatload of medications, and no one is allowed to see this except Melania. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/83 "2016-09-11T19:35:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Will this trigger a Constitutional crises if rumors start that Bill is calling the shots like Mamie Eisenhower? Mamie’s role has never been fully researched. Historians don’t know what she did or what decisions she made. So, on the basis of no evidence, and the fact that historians have discovered nothing to suggest that Mamie was “calling the shots,” you conclude that Mamie must have been calling the shots. Genius! > [@aceplace57](#): > > Here’s an abstract of an article on Eisenhower and how his health effected his Presidency. Anyone know how to get the full article? I’d love to read it. I’d even pay to get it. > [The impact of presidential illness on the administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower - PubMed](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23379313) It is available at [JSTOR](http://www.jstor.org/stable/23359809). You can register for a free account, and they will let you have about three articles free every couple of weeks. I have just downloaded the article, although i’m busy right now and don’t have time to read all 20 pages. A quick scan suggests, however, that the main focus of the article is the fact that Eisenhower relied on a notion of Team Government, and he put in positions of influence people who thought like him, and whom he felt he could rely on to get things done. He insisted that he was in charge, but he trusted his team to implement his policies. The author argues that this resulted in some problems, both in terms of everyday processes and big-picture politics. The conclusion says: > [@](#): > > The exercise of power by individual presidents may > be affected dramatically by their physical or psycho > logical health or, conversely by their ill-health. In the > case of Dwight D. Eisenhower, the three major health > crises that he encountered while in the White House > had significant effects, both positive and negative, on > his presidency and/or on the policy process. These > included making clear some imperfections in the notion > of Team Government, precipitating a disastrous war in > the Middle East, damaging U.S. relations with three > close allies, and beginning the constitutional processes > that in 1967 led to enactment of the Twenty-Fifth > Amendment. The Eisenhower experience teaches us > once again that the presidency is not only an > institutional office but a personal one as well, headed > by a human being who is all too mortal. Mamie Eisenhower is mentioned exactly twice in the text of the article, and neither instance makes any suggestion that she was involved in making policy decisions or acting as some sort of surrogate for the President. “No-one’s ever found any evidence to contradict my wild-ass guess, so it must be plausible” isn’t how historical analysis works. ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/84 "2016-09-11T19:37:38Z")
[http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) > [@](#): > > I’m feeling great,” Mrs. Clinton said. “It’s a beautiful day in New York.” “Feeling great” immediately after attending a 9/11 ceremony? ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/85 "2016-09-11T19:44:51Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) > > “Feeling great” immediately after attending a 9/11 ceremony? So she’s sickly and she hates America? Nice. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/86 "2016-09-11T19:47:24Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) > > “Feeling great” immediately after attending a 9/11 ceremony? Oops. At least she didn’t ask where the nearest FireHouse Subs station was… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/87 "2016-09-11T19:49:23Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) > > “Feeling great” **immediately** after attending a 9/11 ceremony? My bold. You took that comment completely out of context. First, she spent AN HOUR AND A HALF at the memorial site. THEN she felt ill and went to Chelsea’s apartment and spent some time there. THEN, _LATER_ she came out of the apartment, presumably refreshed, and said, “I feel great.” So it wasn’t immediately after the ceremony at all. Get it straight. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/88 "2016-09-11T19:50:11Z")
To those of us who follow this horse race, we may either be biting our nails over this or dancing a little jig over it. But I would say for most Americans, today is just NFL kick-off Sunday, or 9/11, or a beautiful late summer day or something else entirely. Most people aren’t breathlessly panting over Hillary’s fainting spell. I know it’s not scientific, but I just counted a whopping 4 items about Hillary’s fainting episode on my Facebook feed, and one of those was my cousin “liking” a Herman Cain post. It’s not even showing up in my top three FB trending topics. And I follow several local, national and political news organizations, so it’s not like my FB newsfeed is devoid of actual news. Most of the stuff is about football or remembering 9/11 or late-season baseball or Trump. Everyone take a breath, relax and go watch some foosball like the normal red-blooded American heroes youse are. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/89 "2016-09-11T19:51:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > THEN she felt ill and went to Chelsea’s apartment and spent some time there. The apartment must be even closer than the 9/11 Mosque or she’d have gone _there_, right? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/90 "2016-09-11T19:55:24Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > “Feeling great” immediately after attending a 9/11 ceremony? She was so overcome with emotion she almost fainted. Did _you_ almost faint today from emotion? Why do hate America? ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/91 "2016-09-11T20:02:56Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > It was 80 degrees and extremely muggy in NYC this morning according to reports I’ve read. It wouldn’t be unusual for someone in such circumstances to feel overheated I would think. > > She appeared just before noon and greeted people on the street. Said she felt fine. She looked fine to me from pics. > > Doesn’t seem much of a story now. The only story is how the Trump people will make it into a story. It was 80 and humidity dropping from 79 to 54% between 9:00 and 10:00 at the Central Park weather station a couple of miles north of WTC. I live a couple of miles NNW of the WTC and was walking the dog around 9:00 and only felt slightly hot, and while I’m 10 yrs younger than she and in exceptional shape (just to be factual about it) I’m not as tolerant of heat/humidity as I used to be. And it wasn’t a problem for 1,000’s of other people at the ceremony either. IOW I think you’re kidding yourself a bit here. This is a problem for her in a fairly close race, which it is whether or not it ‘should be’. It’s a real health incident which ‘mainstreams’ a story which _previously_ just the core anti-Hillary/pro-Trump cared about. I watched TV this PM with some not very political but likely to vote type people and that video drew ‘OMG’s’. The good news is she looked fine later. If not it would be really bad, but a _very_ optimistic take from pro-Clinton POV to say it’s a not much of a story, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/92 "2016-09-11T20:06:01Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > T > It’s not even showing up in my top three FB trending topics. And I follow several local, national and political news organizations, so it’s not like my FB newsfeed is devoid of actual news. I disagree. Right now this is the biggest headline on [cnn.com](http://cnn.com), [Home - BBC News](http://bbc.com/news), and [foxnews.com](http://foxnews.com). This is a big news story no matter where you stand - left, right, or center. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/93 "2016-09-11T20:09:06Z")
[http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150264994381/the-race-for-president-is-probably-over](http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150264994381/the-race-for-president-is-probably-over) > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton just became unelectable. > > The mainstream media might not interpret today’s events as a big deal. After all, it was only a little episode of overheating. And they will continue covering the play-by-play action until election day. But unless Trump actually does shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s running unopposed. Yes. Most Dopers are true believers when it comes to the Democratic party. They’ve already made up their minds. But this was Hilary’s 9-11. President Trump. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/94 "2016-09-11T20:11:44Z")
Only if he shuts his mouth. And then he would burst. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/95 "2016-09-11T20:12:01Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The media bias is sickening. > > CNN has the audacity to call this a stumble? > > Her legs were buckling before taking a step. She was being held up and supported. Otherwise she would have gone to the ground. Was that Chelsea helping her? Whoever it was struggled to support Hillary. Hillary was in real distress. > > CNN flat out lying doesn’t help. Watch the video. > [http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-leaves-9-11-event-early-rs.cnn](http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-leaves-9-11-event-early-rs.cnn) Everything we’ve seen WRT Hilary’s health issues is consistent with Parkinson’s disease. I expect that specific medical information about her Parkinson’s will be leaked before the election. She’s done. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/96 "2016-09-11T20:12:22Z")
mhendo thank you for the link on the Eisenhower article. I definitely want to learn more about how a modern Presidency dealt with a health crisis. I think Hillary will still win and her fragile health could easily be a problem while in office. She could still serve but perhaps not put in 14 hour days. Maybe voluntarily restrict herself to a 8 hour day. But with Trump as the alternative. We’re stuck with Hillary. Unless she totally collapses before the election. ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/97 "2016-09-11T20:14:11Z")
Is there any chance that the Trump campaign has acquired some Polonium from one of Putin’s old KGB cronies? That would be a story. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/98 "2016-09-11T20:17:20Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > I disagree. Right now this is the biggest headline on [cnn.com](http://cnn.com), [Home - BBC News](http://bbc.com/news), and [foxnews.com](http://foxnews.com). This is a big news story no matter where you stand - left, right, or center. Well, if you’re so inclined to go to one of those websites today, I suppose you’d see it as being big. My argument is that most people aren’t paying attention to this today. Your average American voter is often influenced by what they see in their facebook feeds or on TV. Today Facebook doesn’t seem to be overly concerned with it, and TVs are tuned to football. Maybe tomorrow that will all change, but right now, the only people who are really sitting up and noticing are the ones who were already focused with laser-like precision on this election. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/99 "2016-09-11T20:23:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > mhendo thank you for the link on the Eisenhower article. I definitely want to learn more about how a modern Presidency dealt with a health crisis. Are you withdrawing your unsubstantiated claim about Mamie’s involvement in Eisenhower’s presidency, or are you just going to pretend it never happened now that your claim has been shown to be completely without merit? I’m guessing the latter. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/100 "2016-09-11T20:23:42Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > That video is pretty bad. This is no mere “stumble”, as if she tripped over a crack in the pavement or something. She is leaning against the post and has someone holding her up tightly at the shoulder, and when the car arrives, she looks like she can’t even stand. She doesn’t take a single step - if you watch her feet, it seems like she was literally just dragged into the car. > > “Overheating” is a weak explanation. They are in downtown NYC on September morning, not the Sahara desert, and you don’t see anyone else in the video nearly collapsing. > > I think Hillary would be a better president than Trump even if she spent her entire term on life support in a hospital bed, but this video definitely _suggests_ that there is something unusually wrong with her besides just being 68 years old. I hope they manage to come up with a more convincing explanation. In all likelihood, it was dehydration and exhaustion that had more to do with campaigning every day from 6 a.m. until midnight, which she’s probably been doing for the past year almost daily. Hell I’d probably collapse and I’m in my early 40s. I’m not arguing that she actually is ill – she’s not. Nor do I think that this one incident by itself will topple her election hopes - it won’t. But taken together, the radical right wing - and I emphasize that plurality more than just Trump the man - is setting this all up to be a chaotic campaign crescendo. Moreover, I suspect that they are going to have help from foreign actors, including enemy nation states and rogue individuals and organizations with a vested interest in seeing instability in the United States. Assuming the right were to win the election, the alt-right and the Russians and Guccifer could well be done with each other within a matter or weeks or months, perhaps even turning into bitter enemies. But the damage would be done. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=6)