# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/121 "2016-09-11T21:43:56Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > …God help us, the American people will \*never \*elect a pneumoniac, especially a lady pneumoniac! Nevah! She’s a pneumoniac, _pneumoniac_ on the dance floor…! ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/122 "2016-09-11T21:45:16Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-has-pneumonia-doctor-says-228012?cmpid=sf) > > God help us, the American people will \*never \*elect a pneumoniac, especially a lady pneumoniac! Nevah! A treatable illness that otherwise healthy people of all ages are susceptible to. Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/123 "2016-09-11T21:45:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Nah, just come up with something wait for Trump to fuck it up. He will. This is why I’m glad she’s not up against a competent sleaze machine like Karl Rove circa 2000-2004. The best way to play this would be the veiled insinuation coupled with false concern. Instead, they’ve already said that she’s got brain damage, Parkinson’s, constantly drunk, one step away from death, etc. Play it up like that and she just has to stand up straight and put three sentences together and she’s obviously better than they’re saying, even if her condition isn’t actually all that good. Too bad about the pneumonia, but that’s treatable, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/124 "2016-09-11T21:48:52Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-has-pneumonia-doctor-says-228012?cmpid=sf) > > God help us, the American people will \*never \*elect a pneumoniac, especially a lady pneumoniac! Nevah! That may or may not hurt her case here. Well, of course she stumbled/fainted/had a massive stroke and flatlined at least once. She had the big P! But she didn’t TELL anyone. And if something like this happened to random politician without a history of Clinton’s it probably wouldn’t be much a deal. But Clinton HAS had some health issues. AND plenty of people don’t trust her too much and or think she keeps things secret. Well, this little episode feeds right into that. Of course she was damned if she did and damned if did not in this scenario (revealing the pneumo before the tumble). Sure the vast majority of true Clinton believers think this is no big deal. And the flip side for the Trump true believers. But those people on the Clinton edge and true undecided? This can not help her cause. IMO it ain’t a deal breaker. Probably not even close. But it ain’t helping. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/125 "2016-09-11T21:49:19Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-has-pneumonia-doctor-says-228012?cmpid=sf) > > God help us, the American people will \*never \*elect a pneumoniac, especially a lady pneumoniac! Nevah! From the article: > [@](#): > > Clinton is due in California for a series of fundraisers on Monday and Tuesday. If that doesn’t cure her, nothing will!! ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/126 "2016-09-11T21:52:47Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > This makes about as much sense as “Everything we’ve seen WRT Hilary’s health issues is consistent with her being Supergirl all growed up.” > > Nah. The Supergirl one fits better. > > Seriously, did you just pick a random disease? Are you confused because some had noticed _Bill’s_ hand tremor and wondered about Parkinson Disease in relation to that (it isn’t). There is a [Snopes report](http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-has-parkinsons-disease/) on the claim that Hillary has Parkinson’s. Guess where the claim came from? A YouTube video! Oh, you already guessed, didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/127 "2016-09-11T22:06:31Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Rudy Giuliani has gone on and on about Hillary’s health. Today, she leaves a 9/11 event feeling ill. We’ll never hear the end of this and of course, Trump will point out that she’s medically unfit to be POTUS. Needless to say, this will echo from now to November. > > Today, Hillary lost the election. ☹ We won WWII with a president in a wheelchair, I very much doubt that Hillary is suffering from anything that would prevent her from exercising the duties of the office of president. The PotUS is human (remember when the older Bush puked at a Japanese state dinner?) and they can fall ill or be injured and the country will not collapse. Worst case if Hillary is elected Something Bad happens, Hillary is no longer the PotUS and the VP takes over, which is why we have a chain of succession. Stuff happens. The nation endures. The world does not end. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/128 "2016-09-11T22:11:20Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > She had the big P! > > But she didn’t TELL anyone. > > And if something like this happened to random politician without a history of Clinton’s it probably wouldn’t be much a deal. > > But Clinton HAS had some health issues. AND plenty of people don’t trust her too much and or think she keeps things secret. Well, this little episode feeds right into that. > > This can not help her cause. IMO it ain’t a deal breaker. Probably not even close. But it ain’t helping. Yes, borders on delusional to treat the latest news of pneumonia diagnosis as ‘oh so this whole thing is nothing after all, I knew it!’. Lots of people get it, but it’s often serious for people that age, and even if not serious as in any kind of threat to life, it can crimp someone’s activity seriously if they want to make sure it _doesn’t_ get really medically serious. There may be an ongoing and wholly legitimate story about how much she has to ‘adjust her schedule’ as her release admitted. But moreover it at least looks initially like the Clinton campaign was going to keep it secret. To non-ideological voters, not particularly to die hard Hillary hater/Trumpkins who aren’t her problem, that IMO shoots a fairly big hole in the line that it’s such a ‘fact’ she has no serious health problems because none have been disclosed. Her disclosure hasn’t been particularly rigorous even before now. Trump’s less still, but ‘fair’ or not she’s in the cross hairs on this now. As often when I see ridiculous complacency here about her position in this election, she better hope her people don’t have that attitude and she doesn’t succumb to it herself. ---
**Author:** ![ultimate11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/49beb7/32.png) [@ultimate11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultimate11)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/129 "2016-09-11T22:18:36Z")
Well on the bright side for her campaign, FDR did have poliomyelitis. The timing has to be bad though. Leaving the ceremony was disrespectful for the dead on 9/11, course the same could have been said if she didn’t appear. Probably couldn’t stand getting trumped by…Trump. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/130 "2016-09-11T22:21:50Z")
She’ll lose because she is a terrible persuader. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/131 "2016-09-11T22:28:07Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > But moreover it at least looks initially like the Clinton campaign was going to keep it secret. To non-ideological voters, not particularly to die hard Hillary hater/Trumpkins who aren’t her problem, that IMO shoots a fairly big hole in the line that it’s such a ‘fact’ she has no serious health problems because none have been disclosed. > > . Yes. Like I said, she was kinda damned if did and damned if she not release the pneumo info given that she had her spell of whatever today. Her is the arguement boiled WAY down. Side A. Of course she didn’t tell anyone. It is NO big deal. Side B. Well, if it was NO big deal, why didn’t you release it? And then the argueing starts. So, what you have to ask is. How do you think the people that are undecided or borderline Clinton are going to break down on A versus B? And note, that is NOT the same as what you think. The proverbial you you that is. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/132 "2016-09-11T22:29:25Z")
> [@ultimate11](#): > > The timing has to be bad though. Leaving the ceremony was disrespectful for the dead on 9/11, course the same could have been said if she didn’t appear. Probably couldn’t stand getting trumped by…Trump. Yes, leaving the ceremony because she was ill certainly was disrespectful for the dead, wasn’t it? :rolleyes: But why should we give a shit what the dead think? BTW, did Mr. Trump attend this ceremony too? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/133 "2016-09-11T22:34:49Z")
Does she jog, is she on record as jogging like all the rest of them? So, OK, if minor respiratory, give it a week or so, then go jogging. Probably somebody will take pictures. Prolly. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/134 "2016-09-11T22:35:07Z")
Pneumonia is a temporary condition, an illness that anyone can get. Which recalls Churchill’s brilliant retort when a woman accused him of being drunk. Paraphrased for the current situation: in a week or so Hillary will be perfectly well, and Trump will still be an idiot. This ought to shed some light on whether or not “Hillary just lost the election”. To be fair, the pneumonia diagnosis wasn’t known when the OP was written. But now it is, and it’s hard to see how this could be a lasting election issue. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/135 "2016-09-11T22:35:11Z")
Yeah, I was wondering what Trump was up to today. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/136 "2016-09-11T22:37:49Z")
As of this afternoon, it looks like a combination of [overheating, dehydration and. . . pneumonia](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-falls-ill-9-11-memorial-n-y-n646376) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/137 "2016-09-11T22:43:02Z")
“And even so, she mustered her reserves of strength and went on to honor our heroes.” Writes itself. ---
**Author:** ![Sputnikkk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Sputnikkk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sputnikkk)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/138 "2016-09-11T22:44:17Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Rudy Giuliani has gone on and on about Hillary’s health. Today, she leaves a 9/11 event feeling ill. We’ll never hear the end of this and of course, Trump will point out that she’s medically unfit to be POTUS. Needless to say, this will echo from now to November. > > Today, Hillary lost the election. ☹ I think all those stories about Hillary’s health won’t stop any voters that are hardcore democrats that always vote democrat no matter what, or voters educates with college degrees— because they see those stories as propaganda. I don’t think those stories would stop the Hillary black voters either. I know voters who won’t vote for Hillary based on her being hawkish toward military and because she isn’t for a single payer healthcare system, but I don’t know any who have misgivings about her because of health reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/139 "2016-09-11T22:47:25Z")
I predict she collapses at the debates while Trump is talking about the number of Muslims working at the State Department. Trump yells out, “My God Hillary!” rushes over and cradles her head. And Donny will leave those microphones and those cameras with blood all over him, fighting off anyone who tries to help him, defending America even if it means his own death, rallying a nation of television-viewers into hysteria to sweep him up into the White House with powers that will make martial law seem like anarchy. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/140 "2016-09-11T22:48:08Z")
So Mrs Clinton - the junior Senator for New York State when 9/11 happened - attended a memorial despite a pneumonia diagnosis and, eh, found that it can be a bit debilitating. Is that really a negative? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=8)