# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Sputnikkk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Sputnikkk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sputnikkk)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/141 "2016-09-11T22:54:45Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > Watch military formations in any outdoor ceremony lasting more than an hour on any day above seventy-five degrees. You’ll see people start dropping like flies. Hundreds of rock-solid soldiers in perfect still formation, except hey look, that one, that one leaning, and leaninger, and splat! down they go. > > And suddenly there’s a couple of MP’s - hey, I didn’t notice the MP’s back there - suddenly MP’s sprint in from the scenery and grab the limp, lifeless body and drag it off - easy there fellas! - and drag it off into the bushes. > > Hopefully on this happened on grass, or they fainted backwards, or downwards with their knees buckling. A stiff-kneed forward faint onto concrete or asphalt? Ouch. It sounds like a bag of wet cement hitting the pavement. A lot louder than you would think, because nobody likes to imagine the human face making that kind of sound while hitting the ground. Lots of broken noses and wire-shut jaws and such. > > And these are fit military men. Conservatives just creamed their pantaloons. > > (This whole post was just a lead-in to get those last two sentences in their own paragraph.) Randolf, is this true or are you joking? If you are there can you video it? ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/142 "2016-09-11T22:57:11Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Im sorry but this is not normal. In this case it was exceptionally hot-- I was pretty stupid to have gone out. But it’s pretty easy to become dehydrated, particularly when you aren’t in your usual routine, and dehydration plus heat can cause pretty dramatic effects. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/143 "2016-09-11T22:58:11Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I predict she collapses at the debates while Trump is talking about the number of Muslims working at the State Department. Trump yells out, “My God Hillary!” rushes over and cradles her head. And Donny will leave those microphones and those cameras with blood all over him, fighting off anyone who tries to help him, defending America even if it means his own death, rallying a nation of television-viewers into hysteria to sweep him up into the White House with powers that will make martial law seem like anarchy. No, no, he’s saving the Manchurian thing for when Melania gets shot by A Terrorist(remember that in his contract for Trump-campaign volunteers, the ‘non-disparagement clause’ one, each of his children is carefully listed by name, but his “Spouse” is just as carefully unspecified.\*) \*Paragraph 6, section b: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/09/03/trumps-adhesion-contract-from-hell/?utm\_term=.0710e0f44c85](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/09/03/trumps-adhesion-contract-from-hell/?utm_term=.0710e0f44c85) ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/144 "2016-09-11T23:03:14Z")
> [@Sputnikkk](#): > > Randolf, is this true or are you joking? If you are there can you video it? Oh, it’s a real thing. Unless it’s a really large formation and really hot, soldiers don’t “drop like flies” but there will be a few. They teach you not to lock your knees while standing at attention etc, but a few people will go down. A quick google search will turn up vids, like this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7EvG8sZ58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7EvG8sZ58) ---
**Author:** ![Neo-Calredic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/96bed5/32.png) [@Neo-Calredic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neo-Calredic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/145 "2016-09-11T23:14:16Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I predict she collapses at the debates while Trump is talking about the number of Muslims working at the State Department. Trump yells out, “My God Hillary!” rushes over and cradles her head. And Donny will leave those microphones and those cameras with blood all over him, fighting off anyone who tries to help him, defending America even if it means his own death, rallying a nation of television-viewers into hysteria to sweep him up into the White House with powers that will make martial law seem like anarchy. Maybe Trump should pass the time by playing a little Solitaire. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/146 "2016-09-11T23:46:59Z")
I’m shaking my head at a lot of these comments. If you saw the video and don’t think this has become a huge issue you are deluding yourself. It will be interesting to see how much of a change there will be on 538. Trump has been creeping up before this happened. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/147 "2016-09-11T23:51:58Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’m shaking my head at a lot of these comments. If you saw the video and don’t think this has become a huge issue you are deluding yourself. It will be interesting to see how much of a change there will be on 538. Trump has been creeping up before this happened. More amateur punditry. At least you’re making something close to a testable prediction, so we can either nod sagely or point and laugh in two weeks. But let’s put a finer point on it. What constitutes a “huge issue” in terms of the 538 forecast to you? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/148 "2016-09-11T23:52:11Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Oh, it’s a real thing. Unless it’s a really large formation and really hot, soldiers don’t “drop like flies” but there will be a few. They teach you not to lock your knees while standing at attention etc, but a few people will go down. > > A quick google search will turn up vids, like this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7EvG8sZ58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7EvG8sZ58) [It happens, even to young people.](http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/guard-of-honor-passes-out-as-queen-elizabeth-ii-rides-past-during-the-trooping-the-color-parade-1970/) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/149 "2016-09-11T23:57:54Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’m shaking my head at a lot of these comments. If you saw the video and don’t think this has become a huge issue you are deluding yourself. It will be interesting to see how much of a change there will be on 538. Trump has been creeping up before this happened. This is just incorrect. For the past week, Clinton’s decline has plateaued and her chance of winning bottomed out at 67.3% (Polls Only); her percentage of winning has been steadily climbing again over the past four days. She now has a 70.6% chance of winning (polls only). Might her chance of winning dip again after this? Sure. But it’s nothing to lose sleep over, unless you want to. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/150 "2016-09-12T00:05:27Z")
> [@Sputnikkk](#): > > Randolf, is this true or are you joking? If you are there can you video it? It is true, and I’m not joking, but even if I were I wouldn’t have time to video it. Maybe you can send the idea into Funny or Die? > [@drewder](#): > > She’ll lose because she is a terrible persuader. That certainly is some terrible persuasion. ---
**Author:** ![Lucky\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Lucky\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucky_Mike)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/151 "2016-09-12T00:08:27Z")
The American people, good or bad, will typically not vote for someone they see as weak. Hillary, being a woman, is already facing this obstacle (no I am not talking about objective truth, I am talking about perception. And yes, the patriarchy is still alive, and yes, women are seen as weaker). It was effectively used against the Republicans in the early stages when her supporters painted those who pointed out her alleged weakness as bigots and misogynists. As a result, Dems won round one with enough groups to give her an edge. Trump was some blustering white man talking down to women. It pushed her ahead of his popularist/nationalistic rhetoric which was winning 40-43 percent of Americans. But, he only needed 3-5% more with the surge of the 3rd and 4th party candidates. He does NOT need 50%, or even 51%, he only needs 46-48% to win this election (in key places of course). So, the Republican party pivoted expertly, went to medical measures of “weakness”. An OBJECTIVE position that is sex neutral (theoretically). They began to hammer it, mostly with falsehoods (like swiftboat), but now they got this. Let’s remember, we had a decorated war hero who lost to a person whose service was under question. Reframing the argument and getting old white people to wear bandaids with purple hearts is something the Republican party is expert at. Hillary’s perception as a crook? Who cares, was not winning. BUT, Hillary’s perception as weak? Let’s see… on crime… yup they are going for that. On immigration… yup they are going for that. On terrorism… yup they are going for that. And now, on fitness for duty. Personally, I understand what happened to Hillary today and think it is no big deal. The electorate as a whole however… well this may the silver bullet Trump needed. Hillary has work to do, big time. If you do not want Trump to win, you also have big time work to do because I suspect you will see the polls go dead even or even slight Trump lead within 7 days. And, for the record, I think Donald Trump represents the most deplorable human being I have ever seen run for the President of the United States in the 50 years I have been alive. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/152 "2016-09-12T00:11:28Z")
If this is a setback, it can be reversed at the debates – Trump not showing up is far weaker than Hillary having a stumble and pneumonia (presuming that she recovers). If at the first debate, she makes him look like a buffoon (and a weak buffoon at that), that would be far more significant than this. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/153 "2016-09-12T00:25:20Z")
Pneumonia? Riiiiiiiiiiigggght. And this coming from Crooked’s team? Please. LOL ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/154 "2016-09-12T00:26:29Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > … Trump is talking about the number of Muslims working at the State Department. I know Trump is no fan of the First Amendment but I don’t think he will play that card- it only appeals to racist fools who already are solid Trumpians. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/155 "2016-09-12T00:32:32Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I know Trump is no fan of the First Amendment but I don’t think he will play that card- it only appeals to racist fools who already are solid Trumpians. Completely unrelated note: do you watch classic movies? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/156 "2016-09-12T00:37:49Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Pneumonia? > > Riiiiiiiiiiigggght. > > And this coming from Crooked’s team? > > Please. LOL Do tell, Doctor Tiger… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/157 "2016-09-12T00:37:49Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Pneumonia? > > Riiiiiiiiiiigggght. > > And this coming from Crooked’s team? > > Please. LOL As I saw in Reddit: “I’d rather have candidate who had a temporary respiratory illness than one with permanent mental illness.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/158 "2016-09-12T00:38:43Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > And then of course there is the fact that even if Clinton was vegetative in a coma, she’d still beat Trump. In fact you could make an argument that Kaine would beat Trump by a higher margin than Clinton since he has lower unfavorables than Clinton. I plan to vote for Clinton. Truth is, I’d be happier to vote Kaine for President than for Clinton. And by the transitive property, I’d be even happier to vote for Kaine over Trump. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/159 "2016-09-12T00:40:25Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Trump used to be addicted to prescription amphetamines, has gained 35 pounds since the campaign started and his rambling run on sentences, word salad and inability to remember what he has previously said are symptoms of early onset Azlhemeirs (which his father had). He’s 70 years old. I think “early onset” is no longer an appropriate modifier. > [@coremelt](#): > > World salad. That phrase means something very specific, and much as I hate Trump, he doesn’t speak in word salad. Word salad is, “I went the shoehorn butterhorse magnolia drop.” Trump’s just trying to fill time with words without actually saying anything. > [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > I didn’t think they really had a strategy besides “let’s throw a lot of random shit at the wall and see if any of it sticks” when they started talking incessantly about Hillary’s mysterious seizure disorder / dementia / lingering concussion / cough / Victorian Novel Wasting Disease, but it’s actually sort of brilliant. The odds are pretty good that a 68-year-old engaged in a months-long, grueling campaign with cameras constantly on her is going to show _some_ sort of visible moment of weakness at some point, and when it does happen, a) the Trump campaign looks prescient; and b) people start thinking maybe all the OTHER random shit they’ve been throwing at the wall has some validity to it as well. Yep. > [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Everything we’ve seen WRT Hilary’s health issues is consistent with Parkinson’s disease. Again, a very specific disease process, with very specific symptoms and disease progression…and she’s shown none of the symptoms that I’ve seen, except perhaps dizziness, which can be caused by a gajillion things, including the hypothyroidism we already know she has because of her released medical information. > [@Corry\_El](#): > > But moreover it at least looks initially like the Clinton campaign was going to keep it secret. Wait, what? They announced it the very same day she was seen by a doctor. How is that indication that they were going to keep it secret? She has pneumonia. Which I realize we didn’t officially know at the beginning of the thread. But sweet baby Jesus, anyone who’s heard her coughing over the last few weeks could tell that wasn’t “due to allergies”. But I can also verify that most people with that cough would ignore it until they couldn’t anymore, especially if they were in the middle of the most important job interview of their lives. Last week when she had that awful coughing fit and joked about being allergic to Trump, I told my husband, “That’s not allergies. There’s constriction in that cough. She’s sick.” And he said, “Yep. Bronchitis at least.” And I said, “Bet it’s pneumonia, though.” Yes, this is how a nurse and retired paramedic watch the news. Today was bad. Yes, that was an actual collapse, not a stumble. I’m really glad she got medical attention. But this is an acute illness, and one she can be expected to fully recover from. Hopefully her renewed vigor when those antibiotics kick in will help people forget about it, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous about what this does to her electability. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/160 "2016-09-12T00:43:18Z")
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