It was sufficient for my purpose. Since I no longer understand the rules, I’m out of this debate, and I was not trying to score points on anybody; I was just offering some information I heard for those interested enough to pursue it with a few quick googles. You evidently are not in my target audience, but it wasn’t worth starting a new thread.
To be brutally candid, I lost all interest in debating you after your moment of honesty yesterday, because even if we both use perfect logic, our basic assumptions about people are so different that we will always talk past each other. But take this as a complement, I honestly think you have a future as a Republican politician.
That would be my own — certainly ill-informed — guess. Conservatives have moved on from fear and dislike of black people, to general hatred of the poor.
Some of whom happen to be black.
Me too. Except that I couldn’t afford a fifth failure.
Plus I worked out that I would eventually kill someone.
In Britain one generally takes the test in the vehicle one was instructed in, which would be the instructor’s car; however one may utilise one’s own or another car.
Which makes for a long length of time whilst they inspect one’s lights and mirrors.
Also, using a non-instructor’ car means one needs someone else to drive the thing away if one fails.
In the US, most people get their licenses as soon as they can. We love our cars here!!
The tradition is that one of your parents takes you down to the DMV on or shortly after your 16th birthday, and you take the test. If you fail, mommy drives you home. Or, you drive mommy home because you have your 'learner’s permit" which allows you to drive with an adult in the car. See here.
I agree. It’s clear that there was a budgetary benefit from the closings, and that it had a disproportionate effect on the black population, and the question is which of these was the dominant motivator. The most charitable interpretation is that it was a budgetary move that was done with callous disregard for the plight of poor black people, in a state with a long and discreditable history of having callous disregard for the plight of its black citizens.
Which is hardly consistent with the OP claim that Hillary’s accusation was “bogus”. Indeed, now that this has hit the national news, the Gov. has backtracked on this ostensibly innocent budgetary move and vowed that the satellite offices will remain open after all.
But note the cunning move here: instead of being open one day a week, they will be open one day a month. So he can say the problem has been addressed, and if the black and the poor face discouragingly long lineups, well, who cares, right? It’s sounds a lot like the handy mobile services – motto “To serve you better, we park at an undisclosed location 20 miles from your house once a year and open for just one hour.” Keep in mind when judging these things that the poor always have fewer options than everyone else – that’s pretty much the basic definition of “poor”.
It’s all very consistent.
That’s the tradition, alright. But in many jurisdictions now, tradition has been superseded by graduated driver’s licenses, so the kid with the final-stage learner’s permit can drive himself to the test, and drive himself back if he fails. The final-stage permit is basically a real driver’s license, except valid for only a limited time and with conditions, notably a very low threshold for demerit points before it’s yanked.
http://newamericamedia.org/2012/07/voter-photo-id-laws-have-harsh-impact-on-poor-elderly-and-minority-voters-study-says.php
*Zuniga is one of a particular sub-set of an estimated 500,000 eligible voters in 10 states who could be negatively affected by stricter photo ID laws. They do not own a car nor do they drive. They live more than 10 miles away from a state office that can issue the ID required to vote and that would be considered a fulltime facility, that is, one that is open more than two days a week.
In Texas alone, close to 13 percent, or nearly two million, of the state’s voting–age citizens live more than 10 miles from the nearest state office that can issue a voter ID.
Texas is one of 10 states examined in The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification, a newly released study by the Brennan Center for Justice. The states, selected because of their more restrictive legislation for government-issued photo ID requirements, are Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin.*
I assume you have no kids, since the way it worked for mine was that you got your learner’s permit after the written test, and your full license after the road test. Assuming you pass. New York worked the same way, except that when I was a kid you couldn’t drive in the city with a learner’s permit.
And there are restrictions on who can be in the car with a new driver, which might be what you are thinking of.
I’m not sure what you’re objecting to. I think it was clear we were talking about the DRIVING TEST since this whole side discussion started because we were comparing European and American methods concerning whose car is used during that test. Apparently in some European countries, the DMV furnishes the car, whereas in the US you bring your car to the DMV.
Oh, on the subject of ‘birth certificates’ - I was born in a California hospital. My parents received at the time a “Certificate of Live Birth” from the hospital, and a few weeks later another document from a state agency, registry of name if I recall correctly.
I was in possession of this document which was, as far as I was aware, my birth certificate. In fact, these documents were sufficient as recently as the '90s to prove I was me and to be issued a passport.
Earlier this year, needing a passport again and having lost my old, expired one, I learned that sometime in the last few decades my “Certificate of Live Birth” had ceased to be considered a valid birth certificate by the federal government, even in combination with the name registry document. In order to get a new passport I had to make and get notarized a document requesting a new updated birth certificate from my birth hospital, pay to send that document there, pay the aforementioned $25 California fee, and pay the shipping back to me. Oh, and there was an extra fee if I wanted it in less than 6-8 weeks, which I paid.
So, don’t count on the actual, original document you(r parents) were issued by the hospital to count as a “Birth Certificate” any more. Such an old document might not meet modern standards! :smack:
It would be appropriate to also ask if the definition of “birth certificate” is tight or loose in Alabama.
This was my experience, as well. Except that I’m still in California, and I could go to downtown L.A. in person to pick up the print of the microfiche that was my official birth certificate.
The hospital certificate sure looks fancy with the footprints and the fancy gold sticker and all, but it’s not a “real” birth certificate.