# Hillary-Obama: a fanciful scenario but the only one that would worry me at this point **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 12, 2011, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407 "2011-10-12T09:20:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/41 "2011-10-13T15:50:52Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Yea, there is a malaise afflicting the country, and our nation has gotten soft, the fault lies not in our stars, dear Obama, but in ourselves; please take another four years to show us the way and we promise to eat our peas and turn in our homework on time . . . that’s one winner of a message, all righty. I think his message was pointing in a different direction. More like “It’s all the Republicans’ fault. Vote Democrat.” Again, not a message you’re receiving but don’t be surprised if some people hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/42 "2011-10-13T16:25:39Z")
That’s not impossible at all. The PR guys will come up with a cover story and Biden will step aside gracefully (into a comfortable staff job later). It would be a strong ticket that the Republicans would have a tough time matching - perhaps Romney/Gingrich. Crane ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/43 "2011-10-13T16:51:42Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > That’s not impossible at all. The PR guys will come up with a cover story and Biden will step aside gracefully (into a comfortable staff job later). It would be a strong ticket that the Republicans would have a tough time matching - perhaps Romney/Gingrich. You are aware that wasn’t the idiotic fantasy being discussed, right? The one being discussed is… a. Biden steps aside b. Obama demotes himself to veep c. Hillary runs for president with Obama as veep d. Hillary steps aside in 2016 A girl scout troop couldn’t successfully pull that one off, much less people throwing around the kind of money and ego you get at the top of US politics. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/44 "2011-10-13T17:02:04Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > That’s not impossible at all. Yes, it is. Your scenario (which, as noted, isn’t the OP’s) is not impossible in the sense that it does not violate the laws of physics or anything. It’s impossible in that there is no chance it will happen because it violates human nature. This is the apex of Biden’s career. He’s never going to be president, so VP is the top job for him, and he’s not going to give up the possibility of four more years of that. Any benefit Obama would get from swapping Clinton in for Biden would be minimal anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/45 "2011-10-13T17:16:54Z")
For Obama to step down from the Presidency would be an admission he can’t handle the job. And if he makes that admission, why would anyone think he’s qualified to be President in 2016? Or why would he be qualified to be Vice President under Clinton? A Vice President is supposed to be somebody who’s ready to step into the job of President. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/46 "2011-10-13T17:30:38Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > That’s not impossible at all. I wondered during the primary if they would cut some deal of alternating terms as President and vice-President for her support. ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/47 "2011-10-13T17:57:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I wondered during the primary if they would cut some deal of alternating terms as President and vice-President for her support. Do we really not learn from history? I believe Gerald Ford floated that bullshit to Ronald Reagan in 1976.. and was doubly humiliated when Reagan turned him down.. Makes the current Prez look weak as shit.. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/48 "2011-10-13T18:55:43Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > it should be fairly easy for the Republicans to follow Reagan’s “Are you better off than you were four years ago,” For me? The answer to that question is yes. For the country as a whole? The answer to that question is no. And I neither credit Obama for the former, nor blame him for the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/49 "2011-10-13T19:52:42Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I think Obama has been weak and done a terrible job. > > Now, having said that, I’ll bet our OP $100 that Obama wins. I’ll even give him a free out in the event that the ticket changes to a Barack-Hillary ticket. > > Practically free money since I’m giving the OP a chance to cancel the bet in the event that the “only one that would worry” him. > > What do you say, OP? Or will that just put too much a crimp in your concern trolling? > > -Joe If this is open to other takers, I’ll take your bet. $100 to you if Obama is inaugurated in 2013, $100 to me if he isn’t. I phrase it this way to get rid of any possible objections about stolen elections or hanging chads. I don’t care who “really should have won.” But I’ll bet you that Obama isn’t the guy getting so we have a worn in as President in January 2013. $100. Do we have a bet? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/50 "2011-10-13T20:42:23Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Nobody was killed as a direct result of Iran-Contra, Yeah. All those people in Central America just keeled over from bad colds. Yep. > [@](#): > > Bloomberg (Sept. 16): [Hillary Clinton Rise as Most Popular Politician Prompting Buyers’ Remorse](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-16/clinton-popularity-prompts-some-remorse-poll.html) Bloomberg’s trying to take advantage of twenty-twenty hindsight. I’m not impressed. > [@](#): > > Yea, there is a malaise afflicting the country, and our nation has gotten soft, the fault lies not in our stars, dear Obama, but in … …the Republican Congressmen who hold their breath and turn blue till they get thier way. How I wish Obama would just spank them and send them to bed without dinner. _That’s_ where I’m disappointed in him. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/51 "2011-10-13T21:27:14Z")
The OP premise makes not sense unless you want the Dems voted out and to kill off Obama’s political carrier. I think most of the Obama voters who are disatisfied with Obama are disatisfied he didn’t push for more health care reform, has actually tried to negotiate with the terrorists blocking congress, etc. I would be surprised if most of the disatisfied Obama voters had a moment of clarity and decided that slashing taxes on the rich, cutting services on the poor, enabling the banks to have even less control, want the repeal of health care, think its a good idea to cut social security, ad nausem, and decide that going for a Republican President (who is likely to replace at least one supreme) is better than voting again for someone that didn’t go far enough. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/52 "2011-10-13T21:35:37Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > I What I’m reading into [pieces like these](http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obama-the-loner-president/2011/10/03/gIQAHFcSTL_story.html) is a narrative that the problems we’re seeing are Obama’s _personal_ problems, not the party’s. You might get better ideas from reading better stuff. Just a suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/53 "2011-10-13T23:06:53Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > The OP premise makes not sense unless you want the Dems voted out and to kill off Obama’s political carrier. The second part is good. 🙂 The silly thing that really hacks me off is that during a debate he ridiculed Clinton’s idea that everyone should pay for a health care plan like Social Security, and took her stance when he was elected. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/54 "2011-10-14T01:56:35Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I like Obama, but I agree with the OP that he is not up to his job. His big mistake was to force through an unpopular health care plan when he should have been working on the employment situation. Now he loses fights with Congressional Republicans on issues where public opinion is on his side. > > Hillary Clinton may be the most popular public figure. My ideal scenario would be for Obama to decide not to run, and for Clinton to run in his stead. I will never vote for one of the Republican presidential candidates. If one of them wins, unemployment and the national debt will almost certainly rise. That meme drives me nuts. He did not force anything through and it was popular when it was passed. Fox has had its workers spreading out to all stations making that claim over and over until people buy it. It was not that long ago. It had a strong majority. That is the only way it could have gotten through. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/55 "2011-10-14T02:19:25Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Bloomberg (Sept. 16): Hillary Clinton Rise as Most Popular Politician Prompting Buyers’ Remorse > > Bloomberg’s trying to take advantage of twenty-twenty hindsight. I’m not impressed. If you’d read the link, you might realize this isn’t talking about Michael Bloomberg the politician, but Bloomberg the news service; and it’s not an opinion but a poll result. > [@DianaG](#): > > You might get better ideas from reading better stuff. Just a suggestion. 😕 Better than the Washington Post? What would you suggest? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/56 "2011-10-14T02:22:18Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > The OP premise makes not sense unless you want the Dems voted out and to kill off Obama’s political carrier. 😛 Pleased to meet you – hope you guess my name . . . ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/57 "2011-10-14T05:06:13Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > 😛 Pleased to meet you – hope you guess my name . . . But none of us appear puzzled by the nature of your game. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/58 "2011-10-14T06:36:52Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > If you’d read the link, you might realize this isn’t talking about Michael Bloomberg the politician, but Bloomberg the news service; and it’s not an opinion but a poll result. Knew that. Still not impressed. Now is not Then. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/59 "2011-10-14T14:28:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But none of us appear puzzled by the nature of your game. Yup, and he’ll be all surprised when he starts the next thread and everyone thinks that one is a thinly-veiled “I don’t like Obama, and he’s not going to get elected, but I’m going to concern troll again anyway” rant. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407/60 "2011-10-14T14:40:00Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Yup, and he’ll be all surprised when he starts the next thread and everyone thinks that one is a thinly-veiled “I don’t like Obama, and he’s not going to get elected, but I’m going to concern troll again anyway” rant. I told you upthread to knock it off with the concern trolling accusations. You don’t have to take his motives at face value, but accusations of trolling are frowned on and calling it concern trolling makes it excessively personal. This is a formal warning: don’t do it again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-obama-a-fanciful-scenario-but-the-only-one-that-would-worry-me-at-this-point/599407.md?page=4)