# Hillary Rodham Clinton - how should I put this? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2001, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968 "2001-09-21T04:45:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/61 "2001-09-21T19:41:55Z")
And Bush mispronounces words…good lord, people, get a LIFE! Some people must be pretty hard up for material on the Clintons now. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/62 "2001-09-21T19:49:38Z")
Mechanical and monotonic makes one an “ice queen” (whatever the fuck that is)? Damn. Better not tell Bob Dole. No, wait, he uses Viagra, must not be too cold. Steven Wright?–now _there’s_ a frigid bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/63 "2001-09-21T19:57:54Z")
Anyone who criticizes “Hillary” has some preexisting beef with her, versus those who rage about the “smirk,” or some syntax error–brilliant freaking political analysis. Did any of you apologists actually watch the President’s address, Larry King, or any of the things Karl spoke of? It sure sounds like no. I love being accused of RNC bias, what with my pro-choice, no corporate welfare, non-theocratic, end the War on Drugs, libertarian (small “l” intended) leanings. I am liberated through my ability to critique either (any) party, others however are sheep. Look up for many examples. I noticed nobody was up to the task of defeating–or even arguing–any of Karl’s other points. You people would defend “Hillary” if she threw things at the President. “She was having a bad day…” Ferchrisakes, “Hillary” you are a PUBLIC figure, get some manners and human feelings, or at least copy some of Bill’s affected ones. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/64 "2001-09-21T20:01:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KarlGauss \* > 2. According to the transcripts of the Larry King Show (which may NOT yet be accurate according to a disclaimer posted there), when asked \*\*what she expected from President Bush \*\*tomorrow (this was the day before his address) she offered: > > > [@](#): > > > > Well, Larry, I’m pleased that the president will be coming up to address not just the joint session of Congress, but the entire country. We have been through a terrible week as a nation. We are still evaluating and taking stock of the impact of these horrific attacks on our people, on our land. > > > > And I think it is important for the country to stay united, and for the president to lead us where we are going both abroad and at home. So it is a good decision. **I’m looking forward to being there and continuing to support him.** (emphasis added) > > These glib words, when coupled with her _apparent_ utter of lack of sincerity, stroke me as evasive and uninvolved. She was asked what she expected of the president and ended up talking about herself. Paraphrasing: LK: “What should the President do?” HRC: “Whatever he does, I’m behind him.” That bitch, I tellya. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > When asked about Giuliani, about her feeling on _proposed **legislation** _ to extend his term, she said: > > > [@](#): > > > > I also think it is important to recognize that in a democracy, no matter how superb a person is, no matter how great a job he is doing, we have to believe in our democracy, in the rule of law. Elections are absolutely essential to how we conduct our affairs, and our country. And I would be concerned that we would upend that respect for the rule of law. > > She made it seem as if the ‘keep Giuliani movement’ would be breaking the law, subverting democracy. Even if she really felt this way, she could have acknowledged why there is such a movement afoot. Instead, she used cliches - they may be true, but are patronizing to have been stated in this context (“respect for the rule of the law”, “we have to believe in democracy”) Crash Davis: “Cliches are your friends.” Geez, **Karl** , we don’t have an axe to grind, do we? I’ve never seen someone try so hard to make something out of nothing. This is one of those ‘in my day, we didn’t even have _molehills_ to work with when we wanted to make mountains’ gags, right? Or maybe it’s time for a small mathematical rubout job: Gaussian elimination. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/65 "2001-09-21T20:03:25Z")
My point was it’s a stupid thing to be pissed about. Jesus, it’s right up there with the Freepers screaming about how Clinton had his head down while people were singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/66 "2001-09-21T20:05:14Z")
**Beagle** : > [@](#): > > I am liberated through my ability to critique either (any) party, others however are sheep. Yes, you’re very cool. Now fuck along. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/67 "2001-09-21T20:06:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\ ***Beagle** : > > > [@](#): > > > > I am liberated through my ability to critique either (any) party, others however are sheep. > > Yes, you’re very cool. Now fuck along. \*\* Blow me fuckwad. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/68 "2001-09-21T21:08:35Z")
Can you feel the love? I know I can! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Lux\_Fiat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc79bd/32.png) [@Lux\_Fiat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lux_Fiat)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/69 "2001-09-21T21:27:16Z")
I didn’t catch the eye-roll, but it did seem to me like Hillary Clinton wasn’t exactly having 100% fun during Bush’s speech. I thought she looked tired and preoccupied when she appeared on-camera. And when Bush was making the rounds right after the speech, they panned over to where she and Schumer had been sitting (and standing, and sitting, and standing…), and she’d apparently already left. So. She wasn’t full of rah-rah fervor during the President’s speech. This we know. What we don’t know is why. And let’s say it’s because she disagreed with what Bush was saying. She should have swallowed it and pretended like she agreed, right? Like the fake bitch she is? Or should she have let it show on her face? Like the nasty bitch she is? I can’t find a substantial criticism here. Just displeasure with her appearance. Being perfectly objective, I would never speculate on the reasons for disliking a politician based on her appearance, rather than her positions. I would certainly not ask whether such a superficial dislike might stem from seeing her still as a politician’s wife, whose job is to look presentable and bake cookies, rather than as a politician herself (and remember, she didn’t fill the traditional role of “politician’s wife” very well even when she was one, for which she caught a lot of shit). ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/70 "2001-09-21T21:43:05Z")
OK. I am most definitely not a Hillary fan. So, I did come in with an axe to grind. And, after reading the transcripts, I would be a liar if said my case held water _in retrospect_. Maybe I did overcall it. In my defense, her lone scowling face during the Presidential address, her apparent evasiveness during the interview, her insistence on deflating the Giuliani balloon by appealing for a preservation of the “democratic process” (all of which were more impressive to see in real time than to read a transcription of), seemed to me to be incongruous with the spirit of the week. Coupled with my bias against her … well … there you have it. BTW, I toyed with calling her a “prick” and not a “bitch” in my OP. The former term seemed horribly awkward, though. My use of the ‘B’ word was not an attempt to involve gender in _any_ way. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/71 "2001-09-21T21:52:20Z")
Whoa, **Karl** , I’m in awe. Any chance you can take that magic mirror in which you’ve been examining yourself and hand it to **Chas.E**? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Persephone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecc23a/32.png) [@Persephone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Persephone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/72 "2001-09-21T23:53:52Z")
I didn’t watch the speech, because I don’t have TV right now. But I’m wondering if maybe she was just a little concerned about being hit. With everyone there, including the President, they made a damn fine target. And she’s not just a senator, she’s a former First Lady. I know I was having visions of _Debt of Honor._ Maybe she was too. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Peta\_Tzunami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b487fb/32.png) [@Peta\_Tzunami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peta_Tzunami)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/73 "2001-09-21T23:55:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*Did any of you apologists actually watch the President’s address, Larry King, or any of the things Karl spoke of? It sure sounds like no. > \*\* I sure as hell watched the speech, and yes, I saw Hillary on camera, looking unhappy. I even remarked to my wife, “Wow, she doesn’t look very happy.” I did not, however, ascribe any motives to her, as I wouldn’t find it unusual for someone to be unhappy these days. Unlike a lot of people, I am not a mind reader, nor is Hillary Clinton’s state of mind during the Presiden’t speech the foremost thing on my mind these days. And “lone scowling face”? Hardly. William Rehnquist looked like he was in the process of receiving a high colonic. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2001, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/74 "2001-09-22T00:22:58Z")
…just e-mailed me, he knows nothing of our little Jihad we have going here, or my opinion. Quote: “Speaking of hideous self-involvement, I completely forgot to bash Hillary last time. There are few words that describe how revolted I was at the sight of her sour, unsupportive, bored face. So I’ll make some up: craptacious (having the qualities of a nasty bowel movement), and omninauseous (sick all over).” I have decided to give up on this thread by simply stating, I am not the only one (in fact many did including pundits, site?, why bother?) who saw something particularly wrong, distasteful, and disrespectful about her last night. You get it or don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2001, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/75 "2001-09-22T00:30:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > **Freepers** Freepers? I have no idea what this word means. Presumably it’s not some sort of muppet. Help? Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2001, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/76 "2001-09-22T00:56:03Z")
Hillary did a classy job in a tough situation. She participated in a show of unity with many of her enemies in order to further the needs of the nation. Bashing her for doing an imperfect job of covering some strong emotions is nothing but a shameful attempt to profit at the cost of unity in a time of crisis. First cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. MAT 7:3-5. -Nice job with the tweezers KG. No one is at their best this week. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2001, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/77 "2001-09-22T01:01:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*. I am not the only one (in fact many did including pundits, site?, why bother?) who saw something particularly wrong, distasteful, and disrespectful about her last night. You get it or don’t. \*\* And it looks like you don’t. stoid ---
**Author:** ![SterlingNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@SterlingNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SterlingNorth)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2001, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/78 "2001-09-22T01:51:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > Freepers? I have no idea what this word means. Presumably it’s not some sort of muppet. Help? > > Fenris That’s the funnest thing I’ve see in the pit in quite a while, Fen. A muppett! I wish it was a muppett, it’d be a cool name for one. Actually Fen, Freepers are the nice, kindhearted, tolerant, worldly folks who post to the [Free Republic](http://www.freerepublic.com). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2001, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/79 "2001-09-22T02:04:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > > **Freepers** > > Freepers? I have no idea what this word means. Presumably it’s not some sort of muppet. Help? > > Fenris \*\* [http://www.freerepublic.com](http://www.freerepublic.com) The really loony right wingers site? Not ALL right wingers are loonys, this is just your really wacko site… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2001, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968/80 "2001-09-22T16:35:02Z")
**Beagle** , sweetie-pie: > [@](#): > > You get it or don’t. Either you persist in a mindless and knee-jerk hatred of someone you don’t even know, and base all reactions you have upon that hatred . . . or you don’t. Oh, and I think “Blow me, fuckwad” really needs that comma. Otherwise you sound like the Lucky Charms leprechaun asking me to blow your fuckwad (“Blow me fuckwad, me foine boyo!”). Quite odd, and not, I think, your intent. Buh-bye now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-rodham-clinton-how-should-i-put-this/82968.md?page=5)