[QUOTE=Baldwin]
So, what the Hell does PUMA mean?
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Party
Unity
My
Ass
[QUOTE=Steve MB]
So, they’re saying that Hillary is either a ventriloquist dummy for the party apparatchiks or else a weak-willed wimp. What wonderful “supporters”. :rolleyes:
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Yeh, this is one of the things that drives me crazy about them. “Oh, poor Hillary – they’re holding a gun to her head to make her say such things!” Kee-rist! They must spend all their waking hours reading puerile trashy novels where the plucky heroine battles Evil Men Bent On Destroying Her Hopes.
Damn, their bitter whiny emotionally crazy spitefulness is right out of the worst male-chauvinist stereotypes, and it makes my teeth hurt from grinding them whenever I contemplate their craptastic gibberings.
[QUOTE=dropzone]
Well, she IS a woman.
d&r
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Fixes dropzone with laser beam glare.
Don’t you start, buddy. Just don’t you start that with me. :mad:
You forgot to wonder whether it’s “that time of month”.
[QUOTE=gonzomax]
Hillary gave a very good speech. She has accepted the defeat with grace and a grasp of reality. I wish her followers had that grip.
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Most of them do. The exceptions are extreme outliers (with a large contingent of McCain astroturfers providing extra noise).
[QUOTE=Oy!]
You’re quite right, Bricker. Unfortunately, I have trouble remembering this morning, let alone a couple of weeks ago, so I didn’t remember that thread until a couple of people mentioned it and I went back and read it. I don’t think most of us were attacking John McCain on a personal level. We were attacking him on substance. It seems to me to be a legitimate criticism to say that the John McCain of today is not the John McCain of 2000, and that the apparent reason for it is that he wanted to win over the Republican base.
Do you feel that is out of line?
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Said better than I would have.
I will add that no doubt some mudslinging could be dredged up on the SDMB. Happens and the mud is thrown both directions. By-and-large though it seems to me the discussions on the candidates remain on topic and (mostly) civil. I do not see calling McCain out on his various positions or actions to be trash talk. I think it is very relevant and in fact the whole point of the discussion. Being unfavorable to the candidate does not necessarily equate to hitting below the belt (this of course goes for both candidates).
Willfully misrepresenting a candidate’s position (out-of-context statements, clear slips of the tongue and so on), irrelevant comparisons (Paris Hilton) and such I agree are bogus and unworthy here.
[QUOTE=Whack-a-Mole]
Willfully misrepresenting a candidate’s position (out-of-context statements, clear slips of the tongue and so on), irrelevant comparisons (Paris Hilton) and such I agree are bogus and unworthy here.
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And I guess I have to admit, we all have our occasional slips into extremism, on both sides, when we’re feeling frisky or getting carried away (I know not people like you, Bricker, or you, John Mace, but real people :D). But we’re not on TV, we’re not making a speech that will be seen by 30,000 people, we’re not making a commercial to be seen by 100,000,000, we’re not setting policy and we’re not running for president.
I’m still waiting to read some posts from any of our resident Hillary supporters.
Respect shown? Check. Fine speechifin’ support from HRC? Check.
Those Hillary supporters who will not respect Hillary’s exhortation to work for an Obama victory at this point are unreachable. Tomorrow’s polls may show how much pull showing respect and Hillary’s exhortations have. If they stay flat (which is a generous description of the results post-Biden) then we have our answer.
I don’t think there was anyone here who had liked HRC and wasn’t going to vote for Obama, was there?
[QUOTE=DSeid]
I’m still waiting to read some posts from any of our resident Hillary supporters.
Respect shown? Check. Fine speechifin’ support from HRC? Check.
Those Hillary supporters who will not respect Hillary’s exhortation to work for an Obama victory at this point are unreachable. Tomorrow’s polls may show how much pull showing respect and Hillary’s exhortations have. If they stay flat (which is a generous description of the results post-Biden) then we have our answer.
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Unless you mean Clinton supporters who refuse to vote for Obama, I already did.
[QUOTE=Oy!]
I don’t think there was anyone here who had liked HRC and wasn’t going to vote for Obama, was there?
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Uh, Oy!, you’ve got about 200 pages of “Hillary’s Forked” threads to catch up on.
[QUOTE=Pashnish Ewing]
Uh, Oy!, you’ve got about 200 pages of “Hillary’s Forked” threads to catch up on.
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That was then. Has there been anyone who shortly before the convention was saying “I supported Hillary, but I won’t vote for Obama!”, because I haven’t seen anyone like that around here.
[QUOTE=Antinor01]
Unless you mean Clinton supporters who refuse to vote for Obama, I already did.
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Sorry I missed that. Although honestly I was meaning some of the more, eh, militiantly Hillary supporting folks.
[QUOTE=Oy!]
That was then. Has there been anyone who shortly before the convention was saying “I supported Hillary, but I won’t vote for Obama!”, because I haven’t seen anyone like that around here.
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That’s because they’ve apparently skulked off to pout and haven’t been heard from again on the subject.
[QUOTE=Shayna]
That’s because they’ve apparently skulked off to pout and haven’t been heard from again on the subject.
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Yep - and they are going to walk into the stall in November and hold their nose and vote for Obama. There are plenty of people holding their nose and voting for McCain…Obama has the same issue. But who cares if more of them vote Obama than McCain? !
Anybody hear Day to Day on NPR this afternoon? They interviewed a delegate from NC who’s going to cast his vote for Clinton and some guy from PUMA who’s at the convention. The PUMA guy was not even slightly swayed by Clinton’s speech. He said he’s a Democrat because he believes in democracy (??? oooooookay) and said there was no way he’d ever vote for Obama. He said he might vote for McCain if McCain courts his vote.
[QUOTE=Shayna]
That’s because they’ve apparently skulked off to pout and haven’t been heard from again on the subject.
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They’re waiting for the guy from FTD to show up with their chocolate and flowers.
This afternoon Hillary released her delegates from their pledges. She did not, however, ask them to vote for Obama.
[QUOTE=Shayna]
That’s because they’ve apparently skulked off to pout and haven’t been heard from again on the subject.
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Well, part of the point of this thread was to draw them out and to ask them why they still insisted, against their preferred candidate’s wishes, on supporting a Republican. I think the resounding silence shows that the ill will is not nearly as pervasive as this week’s media fad would have us believe.
If the Dems can frame McCain’s VP pick as a bad choice, that will be the talk of the conventions.
And no matter who they pick, I’m betting we can frame it as a bad choice. 
[QUOTE=Jurph]
Well, part of the point of this thread was to draw them out and to ask them why they still insisted, against their preferred candidate’s wishes, on supporting a Republican. I think the resounding silence shows that the ill will is not nearly as pervasive as this week’s media fad would have us believe.
If the Dems can frame McCain’s VP pick as a bad choice, that will be the talk of the conventions.
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Well, the SDMB is unkind to people who hold a position but cannot for the life of them support that decision with anything approaching a coherent argument. As the PUMAs have really nothing to stand on (as regards rational reasoning) this would be a bad place for them to make their case.
Likely they will loiter on some board where they can have a mutual strokefest and tell each other how horrible this all is while assiduously keeping their fingers firmly planted in their ears and yelling “LA LA LA LA…I can’t hear you! LA LA LA” if any hint of something that disabuses them of their worldview appears.