# Hillary tells it like it is about Bernie and his bros **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751 "2020-01-21T16:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/181 "2020-01-22T21:02:41Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > she never had to debate them October 13, 2015, Clinton, Sanders, Webb, O’Malley and Chafee debated. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/182 "2020-01-22T22:22:59Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Hillary Clinton should shut the fuck up and go away. Thing is the Clintons want to create this dynasty. Sort of like the Kennedy’s, and want to keep their influence on the world stage. You can tell they were hoping that Chelsea would be an up and coming political star but it just isnt happening. Their stars are slowly fading and they know it. BTW, say what you want about the Bush’s but after they were out of office they quietly went back to civilian life. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/183 "2020-01-22T22:31:53Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > … > You can tell they were hoping that Chelsea would be an up and coming political star but it just isnt happening. Their stars are slowly fading and they know it… Yeah, I mean, you can feel it right there in your gut, right? ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/184 "2020-01-22T22:50:48Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > The more criticism, vetting, and investigations into Sanders the better. Wow, demanding investigations of political opponents to take them out of the game – that’s brilliant! I can’t believe no one ever thought of that before. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/185 "2020-01-22T23:39:36Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I’m not a Democrat and I’ve made it clear while I’ll vote for almost anyone to get Trump out of office–I will never vote for Sanders, and will in fact vote for Trump specifically to try to keep Sanders out of the White House. > > With that caveat and because I believe a lot of moderate conservatives like myself, many of which helped you guys take the House in 2018 will never vote for a terrible candidate like Bernie Sanders, I really think Bernie needs to face the **same scrutiny as any other Democrat.** Any other Democrat that has polled above 10% has had to face the scrutiny of being negatively attacked by others in this primary (and even some who never cleared that polling threshold.) For the same reason that British Labour had been afraid to vociferously challenge Corbyn (fear of upsetting his mindless thralls), I think many Democrats are afraid to challenge Sanders the same way he challenges them (with dishonest claims, misrepresentations, baseless claims of corruption etc), and I also think we all know there’s a 5 foot thick opposition research folder on Sanders held by the GOP that will be deployed day one of his candidacy if he wins the nomination. Democrats likely have all the same op research and need to use at least some of it. > > If after this Sanders still wins, I still will never, never vote for him–but at least he’s had to walk through the fire like other candidates and is **more likely** to be able to survive the attacks that will come in the fall. Democrats didn’t win in 2018 because republicans voted democrat, they won because younger voters bothered to turn out. [![](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FT_19.05.23_GenerationsVoting_YoungergenerationsoutvotedBoomerpriorgenerations2018.png) ](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FT_19.05.23_GenerationsVoting_YoungergenerationsoutvotedBoomerpriorgenerations2018.png) People under the age of 53 cast 27 million more votes in 2018 than they did in 2014, while people over the age of 54 only cast 4 million more votes in 2018 vs 2014. If democrats want to win they have to keep voter turnout high. Moderate republicans have a role in the party, but a party devoted to moderate republican principles will result in lower voter turnout. Lots of those young people may stay home if the democratic party is nothing more than a DLC, third way party. Support for Bernie is much higher among voters under 40 than it is for older voters. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/186 "2020-01-22T23:48:51Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Democrats didn’t win in 2018 because republicans voted democrat, they won because younger voters bothered to turn out. > […] > People under the age of 53 cast 27 million more votes in 2018 than they did in 2014, while people over the age of 54 only cast 4 million more votes in 2018 vs 2014. The best thing to come out of this thread is the news that I somehow qualify as a “younger voter” ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Sponge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dark_sponge/32/121_2.png) [@Dark\_Sponge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dark_Sponge)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/187 "2020-01-22T23:49:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > …The GOP is historically bad, perhaps only exceeded in badness by, in US history, the Confederates, as far as large national political organizations/movements. Uh, you do know the southern-democratic party was the ‘pro-slavery’ party during the civil war, right? And the Republican party was started to counter the spread of slavery? > **[History of the Democratic Party (United States) | North and South pull apart](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#North_and_South_pull_apart)** > > The crisis for the Democratic Party came in the late 1850s as Democrats increasingly rejected national policies demanded by the Southern Democrats. The demands were to support slavery outside the South. Southerners insisted that full equality for their region required the government to acknowledge the legitimacy of slavery outside the South. The Southern demands included a fugitive slave law to recapture runaway slaves; opening Kansas to slavery; forcing a pro-slavery constitution on Kansas; acqu... I wouldn’t be throwing stones about historic evil. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/188 "2020-01-22T23:51:54Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Dale’s obsession with Sanders goes far beyond anything worth discussing. It’s not rooted in facts. All he’s bringing to the discussion is namecalling. No shit. It’s funny how he’s behaving exactly like he accuses “Bernie bros” of acting, spewing hateful rhetoric against fellow Democrats while insisting that his own candidate, currently polling at 7%, is “blowing away the field” and running “the most amazing campaign in history”. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/189 "2020-01-23T00:03:08Z")
I’m rage quiting this thread, no need to engage. Go Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/190 "2020-01-23T00:01:57Z")
I’m rage quiting this thread, no need to engage. Go Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/191 "2020-01-23T00:07:28Z")
> [@Dark\_Sponge](#): > > Uh, you do know the southern-democratic party was the ‘pro-slavery’ party during the civil war, right? And the Republican party was started to counter the spread of slavery? > > [History of the Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#North_and_South_pull_apart) > > I wouldn’t be throwing stones about historic evil. And the relevance of this to anything in the 21st century is…? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/192 "2020-01-23T00:12:46Z")
> [@Dark\_Sponge](#): > > Uh, you do know the southern-democratic party was the ‘pro-slavery’ party during the civil war, right? And the Republican party was started to counter the spread of slavery? > > [History of the Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#North_and_South_pull_apart) > > I wouldn’t be throwing stones about historic evil. Obviously. The Democratic Party was the party of white supremacists for most of its history. Only relatively recently did the Republicans decide to take that mantle while the Democrats decided to champion civil rights. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/193 "2020-01-23T00:36:29Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > The best thing to come out of this thread is the news that I somehow qualify as a “younger voter” You and me both sister. I’d high five you but I would probably just throw my back out if I did. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/194 "2020-01-23T00:40:02Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Hillary Clinton should shut the fuck up and go away. My take is that is that after years of trying to so very carefully consider everything she has said, with her eye on being president one day, she is enjoying just saying whatever she honestly thinks without giving a fuck, with no edit function engaged at all. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/195 "2020-01-23T01:16:41Z")
> [@Dark\_Sponge](#): > > Uh, you do know the southern-democratic party was the ‘pro-slavery’ party during the civil war, right? And the Republican party was started to counter the spread of slavery? That would have been a real zinger a hundred years ago. Since then, the Party of Lincoln has become the Party of the Southern Strategy and the Party of “Very Fine People” when referring to neo-Nazis and Confederate flag wavers. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/196 "2020-01-23T02:15:05Z")
> [@Dark\_Sponge](#): > > Uh, you do know the southern-democratic party was the ‘pro-slavery’ party during the civil war, right? And the Republican party was started to counter the spread of slavery? Why do Republicans (or at least Trumpists) say this? Seriously, I see it all the time. Do any of you who say this seriously think some liberal is going to go, “hmmm. I never thought of that. I’m going to switch my party registration first thing in the morning!” Because that is not going to happen. Not one single, solitary Democrat will be persuaded to vote Republican (let alone for Trump), no matter how many people repeat this a million times each. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/197 "2020-01-23T02:24:38Z")
What is wrong with your reading abilities Jophiel and Saintly Loser? It may be an annoying talking point in whatever corner you hang out but it was in response to post about “historical wrongness” and specifically “nothing as bad since the Confederates”. But the Dems were exactly who extended the Confederacy’s legacy so it’s exactly on point despite your weariness. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/198 "2020-01-23T02:43:20Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Why do Republicans (or at least Trumpists) say this? Seriously, I see it all the time. > > Do any of you who say this seriously think some liberal is going to go, “hmmm. I never thought of that. I’m going to switch my party registration first thing in the morning!” > > Because that is not going to happen. Not one single, solitary Democrat will be persuaded to vote Republican (let alone for Trump), no matter how many people repeat this a million times each. Its projection to make the democrats look like the real racist party and make black people look like they’re too stupid to know whats good for them. The realpolitik reality is that whatever party southern whites (as a collective group, there are obviously going to be decent individuals within the group) identify with will be the party that is hostile to democracy and human rights. When southern whites were 80% democrat, the democratic party was hostile to democracy and human rights. Now that southern whites are 80% republican, the republican party is hostile to democracy and human rights. If the parties realign, whatever party southern whites identify with will be the party that is hostile to democracy and human rights. Its more about southern whites than it is republican vs democrat. Its a serious cultural flaw that we’ve never addressed, the legacy of slavery was never dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/199 "2020-01-23T03:47:45Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What is wrong with your reading abilities Jophiel and Saintly Loser? It may be an annoying talking point in whatever corner you hang out but it was in response to post about “historical wrongness” and specifically “nothing as bad since the Confederates”. But the Dems were exactly who extended the Confederacy’s legacy so it’s exactly on point despite your weariness. My reading comprehension is quite good. But thanks for asking. This “the Democratic Party is the party of slavery” thing is practically a meme. You’ll see it, and hear it, wherever Trumpists gather. It’s utterly meaningless. I think it’s just a way of signaling tribal identity. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/200 "2020-01-23T04:26:38Z")
> [@Dark\_Sponge](#): > > Uh, you do know the southern-democratic party was the ‘pro-slavery’ party during the civil war, right? And the Republican party was started to counter the spread of slavery? > > [History of the Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#North_and_South_pull_apart) > > I wouldn’t be throwing stones about historic evil. And? How is this relevant? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=11)