# Hillary tells it like it is about Bernie and his bros **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751 "2020-01-21T16:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![str8cashhomie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@str8cashhomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/str8cashhomie)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/201 "2020-01-23T04:42:07Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What is wrong with your reading abilities Jophiel and Saintly Loser? It may be an annoying talking point in whatever corner you hang out but it was in response to post about “historical wrongness” and specifically “nothing as bad since the Confederates”. But the Dems were exactly who extended the Confederacy’s legacy so it’s exactly on point despite your weariness. The context for “historically bad” was that the current Republican party is bad in comparison to most of US history, not that the bad history of the Republican party has any special importance now. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/202 "2020-01-23T07:17:32Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What is wrong with your reading abilities Jophiel and Saintly Loser? Not a thing. Which is how I know that trying to respond to ‘worst X since Y’ by trying to drop awesome truth bombs about Y isn’t a convincing argument 😛 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/203 "2020-01-23T13:46:23Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Not a thing. Which is how I know that trying to respond to ‘worst X since Y’ by trying to drop awesome truth bombs about Y isn’t a convincing argument 😛 That’s not what happened but you keep trying with the reading! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/204 "2020-01-23T13:56:34Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > BTW, say what you want about the Bush’s but after they were out of office they quietly went back to civilian life. When you’ve always got more members of the Bush clan who are up and coming politically, they can do that. Prescott Bush was in the U.S. Senate until 1963, when Bush the Elder started his political career. Bush the Elder was President until 1993. Dubya first ran for Congress in 1978; Jeb was Florida Secretary of Commerce in 1987. Jeb’s political career ended with his primary loss to Mango Mussolini in 2016. George P. Bush, Jeb’s son, won office as Texas Land Commissioner in 2014, an office he still holds, with an eye on higher office, no doubt. So basically, the Bush clan has continuously been prominent in the American political scene throughout the entire post-WWII era. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/205 "2020-01-23T14:09:16Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > When you’ve always got more members of the Bush clan who are up and coming politically, they can do that. > > Prescott Bush was in the U.S. Senate until 1963, when Bush the Elder started his political career. Bush the Elder was President until 1993. Dubya first ran for Congress in 1978; Jeb was Florida Secretary of Commerce in 1987. Jeb’s political career ended with his primary loss to Mango Mussolini in 2016. George P. Bush, Jeb’s son, won office as Texas Land Commissioner in 2014, an office he still holds, with an eye on higher office, no doubt. > > So basically, the Bush clan has continuously been prominent in the American political scene throughout the entire post-WWII era. Chelsea may not ever decide to run for public office; At least I’ve never heard any mention of her intentions to do so. That in no way obligates the Clintons in continuing to publicly involve themselves in US politics. It’s who they are and they have a right to do so. And it’s fair to criticize them in context of their long political history when they say and do stupid shit. That said, if they want to avoid controversy, they could do worse than to take a page from the Bushes’ more hands off approach. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/206 "2020-01-23T14:42:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s not what happened but you keep trying with the reading! Thanks, you too 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/207 "2020-01-23T15:19:35Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Thanks, you too 🙂 Let me help you out A: the GOP is a historical bad, no organization as evil since the Confederacy! B: uhh, the Dems worked with the KKK and violently supressed the black vote for decades after the Confederacy. You: Why are you talking ancient history? Republicans are bad, mmmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/208 "2020-01-23T15:26:19Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Let me help you out > A: the GOP is a historical bad, no organization as evil since the Confederacy! > B: uhh, the Dems worked with the KKK and violently supressed the black vote for decades after the Confederacy. > You: Why are you talking ancient history? Republicans are bad, mmmkay? Once again, “Thanks, you too :)” I don’t agree with you, don’t think you actually understood, don’t care if you want to stay in a tizzy over it and don’t intend to keep tending to your tizzy throughout the day. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/209 "2020-01-23T15:27:03Z")
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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/210 "2020-01-23T15:29:04Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Let me help you out > A: the GOP is a historical bad, no organization as evil since the Confederacy! > B: uhh, the Dems worked with the KKK and violently supressed the black vote for decades after the Confederacy. > You: Why are you talking ancient history? Republicans are bad, mmmkay? If this is about my post, then yes, I think the modern incarnation of the GOP is as bad and as harmful to the country as the Democratic party during Jim Crow (i.e. only exceeded in evil by the Confederacy). You are free to disagree, of course – we’re talking about really, really awful stuff, and I’m not going to quibble with someone who feels that the modern GOP is really, really bad but not quite as bad as the Jim Crow supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/211 "2020-01-23T15:35:51Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Democrats didn’t win in 2018 because republicans voted democrat, they won because younger voters bothered to turn out. > > [https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FT\_19.05.23\_GenerationsVoting\_YoungergenerationsoutvotedBoomerpriorgenerations2018.png](https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FT_19.05.23_GenerationsVoting_YoungergenerationsoutvotedBoomerpriorgenerations2018.png) > > People under the age of 53 cast 27 million more votes in 2018 than they did in 2014, while people over the age of 54 only cast 4 million more votes in 2018 vs 2014. > > If democrats want to win they have to keep voter turnout high. Moderate republicans have a role in the party, but a party devoted to moderate republican principles will result in lower voter turnout. Lots of those young people may stay home if the democratic party is nothing more than a DLC, third way party. Support for Bernie is much higher among voters under 40 than it is for older voters. I’m not sure why you’re quoting me with this, I never said the youth vote wasn’t important to the Democrats in 2018. What I said was this: > [@](#): > > **many of which helped you guys take the House in 2018 will never vote for a terrible candidate like Bernie Sanders** I used the word “helped”, you however seem to ascribe to a simplistic view of the 2018 elections where the Democrats won based on exactly one factor, I’m guessing because it helps counteract an argument I made you didn’t like (that people like me who simply don’t like far leftist politics were a meaningful contributor to the Democrats taking the House.) Considering all the centrist Democrats in rust belt states, in Texas suburbs, the type of Democrats supporters of Bernie Sanders have been bashing as corporate shills for decades, won a lot of these seats suggests to me that while the youth vote probably was instrumental in a number of districts, it’s very unlikely the far lefties who like Bernie Sanders were the reason guys like Conor Lamb got elected in 2018 in a deep red district. Geography gets to vote in our political system, and the areas of the country where the demographics are weighted more to the young and to the racially diverse are areas that are already blue strongholds. Running up the score in those districts might help your numbers in things like Pew surveys but don’t linearly convert to more congressional seats. Now it’s a different topic entirely–but long term areas that are less “gray” and less white, there’s quite a few areas like that in the South where the extreme conservatism of the middle aged and older white voters has kept those regions “red”, but where any smart Republican would be very worried for the future. Just based on what we see now and the fact that old people die off over time Republicans should be very worried about states like Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina in the coming years. But aside from the Texas suburbs where Democrats had a few pickups, most of these areas the predominant voter population is still weighted enough to the older and much more conservative whites that the GOP held on to most of those house seats. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/212 "2020-01-23T15:48:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If this is about my post, then yes, I think the modern incarnation of the GOP is as bad and as harmful to the country as the Democratic party during Jim Crow (i.e. only exceeded in evil by the Confederacy). You are free to disagree, of course – we’re talking about really, really awful stuff, and I’m not going to quibble with someone who feels that the modern GOP is really, really bad but not quite as bad as the Jim Crow supporters. People can quibble about that, but I wasn’t. I was quibbling Jophiel acting like you didn’t bring the subject of historical wrongness up and acting like it was some out of the blue defense of the GOP from Dark Sponge. Well, not even quibbling - just pointing out an obvious fact that she somehow disagrees with. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/213 "2020-01-23T15:52:08Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > That said, if they want to avoid controversy, they could do worse than to take a page from the Bushes’ more hands off approach. Eh, the Bushes were Presidents and there is an expectation for Presidents to quietly retire. Those who lose the race for the Presidency don’t have that expectation, nor do they do it. Romney, before he ran for Senate in Utah, was vocal about his opinions. Same with Gore. Bob Dole was pretty active in the Jeb! Bush 2016 primary campaign. Etc. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/214 "2020-01-23T16:13:59Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > When you’ve always got more members of the Bush clan who are up and coming politically, they can do that. > > Prescott Bush was in the U.S. Senate until 1963, when Bush the Elder started his political career. Bush the Elder was President until 1993. Dubya first ran for Congress in 1978; Jeb was Florida Secretary of Commerce in 1987. Jeb’s political career ended with his primary loss to Mango Mussolini in 2016. George P. Bush, Jeb’s son, won office as Texas Land Commissioner in 2014, an office he still holds, with an eye on higher office, no doubt. > > So basically, the Bush clan has continuously been prominent in the American political scene throughout the entire post-WWII era. And that had fuck all to do with what he said? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/215 "2020-01-23T16:32:15Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > That would have been a real zinger a hundred years ago. Since then, the Party of Lincoln has become the Party of the Southern Strategy and the Party of “Very Fine People” when referring to neo-Nazis and Confederate flag wavers. Can we stop with this falsehood that Trump said that neo-Nazis were “fine people”? It has been debunked over and over again. He specifically said that his “fine people on both sides” comment was not directed at Nazis. > [@](#): > > Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves – and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.” Then less than 10 seconds later: > [@](#): > > Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the [George Washington] statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue? > > "So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people --\*\* and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists – because they should be condemned totally. \*\*But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. > > “Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group.” Bolding mine. So how does anyone get that he was talking about very fine nazis? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/216 "2020-01-23T16:52:11Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Can we stop with this falsehood that Trump said that neo-Nazis were “fine people”? It has been debunked over and over again. He specifically said that his “fine people on both sides” comment was not directed at Nazis. > > Then less than 10 seconds later: > > Bolding mine. So how does anyone get that he was talking about very fine nazis? Because there were no others aside from white supremacists and neo-Nazis on that side. Anyone that marches along in a group that is dominated by neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and neo-Nazi/white-supremacist chanting, imagery, and symbolism, is a neo-Nazi or white supremacist. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/217 "2020-01-23T17:00:22Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Bolding mine. So how does anyone get that he was talking about very fine nazis? 'Cause we all saw photos of the rally and its participants and a “But not _those_ guys _wink_wink\*” doesn’t amount to much? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/218 "2020-01-23T18:19:21Z")
Last week a group of Bernie and Warren trolls interrupted a Pete rally because of ‘climate change activism’ Now Bernie will be chartering a private jet to campaign during the impeachment trial. I’m sure the climate change activists will be up in arms over this, right? > **[Bernie Sanders to charter private jet to campaign in Iowa during impeachment](https://t.co/XOeCNh72jx?amp=1)** > > Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is not letting President Trump’s impeachment trial in the Senate get in the way of his campaigning ahead of the Iowa caucuses. Sanders, one of the 2020 Democratic … ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/219 "2020-01-23T18:21:06Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Last week a group of Bernie and Warren trolls interrupted a Pete rally because of ‘climate change activism’ > > Now Bernie will be chartering a private jet to campaign during the impeachment trial. > > I’m sure the climate change activists will be up in arms over this, right? > > [https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/bernie-sanders-to-charter-private-jet-to-campaign-in-iowa-during-trump-impeachment-trial/?utm\_source=twitter\_sitebuttons&utm\_medium=site%20buttons&utm\_campaign=site%20buttons](https://t.co/XOeCNh72jx?amp=1) This sounds like the incredibly dumb “Al Gore is a hypocrite for flying” takes from the GOP in the early '00s. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/220 "2020-01-23T18:23:02Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Last week a group of Bernie and Warren trolls interrupted a Pete rally because of ‘climate change activism’ > > Now Bernie will be chartering a private jet to campaign during the impeachment trial. > > I’m sure the climate change activists will be up in arms over this, right? > > [https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/bernie-sanders-to-charter-private-jet-to-campaign-in-iowa-during-trump-impeachment-trial/?utm\_source=twitter\_sitebuttons&utm\_medium=site%20buttons&utm\_campaign=site%20buttons](https://t.co/XOeCNh72jx?amp=1) Really? Did you copy that from the Republicans? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=12)