# Hillary tells it like it is about Bernie and his bros **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751 "2020-01-21T16:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/221 "2020-01-23T18:31:35Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Last week a group of Bernie and Warren trolls interrupted a Pete rally because of ‘climate change activism’ > > Now Bernie will be chartering a private jet to campaign during the impeachment trial. > > I’m sure the climate change activists will be up in arms over this, right? > > [https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/bernie-sanders-to-charter-private-jet-to-campaign-in-iowa-during-trump-impeachment-trial/?utm\_source=twitter\_sitebuttons&utm\_medium=site%20buttons&utm\_campaign=site%20buttons](https://t.co/XOeCNh72jx?amp=1) This is real dumb. The article–and a handful of other rightwing hit-pieces along the same lines–are based on a line from a late-night show, immediately following which he talked about possibly “planepooling” with Klobuchar and Warren. Modern campaigning involves keeping a grueling schedule of going from event to event. It’s not possible to keep a modern campaign schedule using commercial airflight, much less eschewing air travel entirely. The complaint boils down to, Ha ha, Sanders refuses to torpedo his campaign in order to hold to our misunderstanding of his principles! It’s ridiculous. In looking for more information, I ran across [this article](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/25/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-private-jet-flights-1182793?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=00000166-4566-dcb7-abee-dde75ccf0000&nlid=630318) from last year. My main takeaway is, Christ Almighty, there’s some bad blood between Clinton and Sanders staffers, on both sides. Neither side comes out looking good. In the current spat between Clinton and Sanders, Sanders is winning the only way he can: he’s refusing to play. As such, he comes out clearly the better person. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/222 "2020-01-23T18:41:54Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This is real dumb. The article–and a handful of other rightwing hit-pieces along the same lines–are based on a line from a late-night show, immediately following which he talked about possibly “planepooling” with Klobuchar and Warren. > > Modern campaigning involves keeping a grueling schedule of going from event to event. It’s not possible to keep a modern campaign schedule using commercial airflight, much less eschewing air travel entirely. > > The complaint boils down to, Ha ha, Sanders refuses to torpedo his campaign in order to hold to our misunderstanding of his principles! It’s ridiculous. > > In looking for more information, I ran across [this article](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/25/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-private-jet-flights-1182793?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=00000166-4566-dcb7-abee-dde75ccf0000&nlid=630318) from last year. My main takeaway is, Christ Almighty, there’s some bad blood between Clinton and Sanders staffers, on both sides. Neither side comes out looking good. > > In the current spat between Clinton and Sanders, Sanders is winning the only way he can: he’s refusing to play. As such, he comes out clearly the better person. A few months ago, Bernie and Warren twitter warriors were slinging shit at Pete for using chartered jets even though they very well know that getting to and from South Bend is a bitch. So, I’m glad payback is a bitch. And, no, I haven’t forgotten the 2016 Sanders chartered jet to Rome so he could ambush the pope. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/223 "2020-01-23T18:43:22Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > … > > And, no, I haven’t forgotten the 2016 Sanders chartered jet to Rome so he could ambush the pope. What does this even mean? Please clarify or provide a link. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/224 "2020-01-23T18:43:42Z")
I don’t much care for Sanders but Trump is throwing away environmental protections left and right and Sanders, despite his use of a plane, probably isn’t going to be doing the same thing. Or leaving environmental treaties or telling audiences that the endangered wildlife can go fuck itself when it’s in the way of his precious wall. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/225 "2020-01-23T18:45:52Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > A few months ago, Bernie and Warren twitter warriors were slinging shit at Pete for using chartered jets even though they very well know that getting to and from South Bend is a bitch. So, I’m glad payback is a bitch. > > And, no, I haven’t forgotten the 2016 Sanders chartered jet to Rome so he could ambush the pope. What’s awesome about you, **dalej42** , is the way you take certain things so very personally. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/226 "2020-01-23T18:52:59Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > What does this even mean? Please clarify or provide a link. > **[Bernie Sanders And The Invitation Pope Francis Never Sent](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9721400/amp)** > > A presidential candidate should know what the Vatican is, what role it plays, not only as the fulcrum of the Catholic Church, but also as a state that maintains diplomatic relations on a global scale. > **[Bernie Sanders' Lavish Private Jet Menu?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-private-jet-menu/)** > > A menu from a Bernie Sanders charter flight is real, but the selections were standard fare for Delta charters and not an example of hypocritical excess. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/227 "2020-01-23T18:54:49Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I’m not sure why you’re quoting me with this, I never said the youth vote wasn’t important to the Democrats in 2018. What I said was this: > > I used the word “helped”, you however seem to ascribe to a simplistic view of the 2018 elections where the Democrats won based on exactly one factor, I’m guessing because it helps counteract an argument I made you didn’t like (that people like me who simply don’t like far leftist politics were a meaningful contributor to the Democrats taking the House.) Considering all the centrist Democrats in rust belt states, in Texas suburbs, the type of Democrats supporters of Bernie Sanders have been bashing as corporate shills for decades, won a lot of these seats suggests to me that while the youth vote probably was instrumental in a number of districts, it’s very unlikely the far lefties who like Bernie Sanders were the reason guys like Conor Lamb got elected in 2018 in a deep red district. > > Geography gets to vote in our political system, and the areas of the country where the demographics are weighted more to the young and to the racially diverse are areas that are already blue strongholds. Running up the score in those districts might help your numbers in things like Pew surveys but don’t linearly convert to more congressional seats. > > Now it’s a different topic entirely–but long term areas that are less “gray” and less white, there’s quite a few areas like that in the South where the extreme conservatism of the middle aged and older white voters has kept those regions “red”, but where any smart Republican would be very worried for the future. Just based on what we see now and the fact that old people die off over time Republicans should be very worried about states like Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina in the coming years. But aside from the Texas suburbs where Democrats had a few pickups, most of these areas the predominant voter population is still weighted enough to the older and much more conservative whites that the GOP held on to most of those house seats. My point is that as democrats we’ve heard for years that we have to appeal to moderate republicans because maybe if we water down our beliefs enough, they maybe will vote for a democrat once in a blue moon. My point is that there is an entire generation of new voters willing to vote for democrats who act like democrats. Moderate republicans may play a role in the democratic party, but the real reason the democrats won is because young people showed up to vote. There was some political realignment in 2016. Republicans who score low on bigotry and authoritarianism switched and became democrats, while democrats who score high on bigotry and authoritarianism became republicans. But each group was about 10% of their respective parties, and I think they mostly cancelled each other out. Watering down democratic agendas to appeal to moderate republicans (in geographic areas where the cook ranking is fairly leftist, or on the national level) carry its own risks. It could make blacks, labor unions and liberals stay home and not vote, not volunteer or not donate money. It isn’t a risk free political strategy. A third way democratic party unwilling to take on the oligarchy, unwilling to stand up for minorities and unwilling to address economic inequality that still wants high levels of turnout, volunteerism and donations from democratic base donors is going to run into issues. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/228 "2020-01-23T18:56:32Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > [Bernie Sanders And The Invitation Pope Francis Never Sent | HuffPost](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9721400/amp) > > [Bernie Sanders' Lavish Private Jet Menu? | Snopes.com](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-private-jet-menu/) You provided a link to Snopes saying the story is **mostly false** , are you even trying? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/229 "2020-01-23T19:02:29Z")
Hint: It would have been more convincing if you’d linked directly to the right-wing site (motto:“The News the Liberal Media WILL NOT Report!”, rather than to the Snopes page debunking the claims made there. I mean, not _much_ more convincing, but… ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/230 "2020-01-23T19:05:28Z")
Also, in order for “payback” to be “a bitch”, you would have to provide a cite that anyone other than you and a few other Twitter trolls know or care about this. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/231 "2020-01-23T19:16:43Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > My point is that as democrats we’ve heard for years that we have to appeal to moderate republicans because maybe if we water down our beliefs enough, they maybe will vote for a democrat once in a blue moon. I’m not a Democrat so I’m not usually in the business of advising Democrats on how to get votes–as I’ve usually wished to see them lose elections. So I can’t speak to this. I would suggest that you win in politics at least Federally by fielding a coalition that can win the Senate and Electoral College. I’m not convinced a far leftist idealogue will be able to build such a coalition due to the geographic realities of the sort of people who support that sort of thing. I would also say that you **should** appeal to a majority of Democrats for sure, I don’t think you should worry about appealing to Republicans–you can win without us. But Bernie and the far leftists advocate policies that are unpopular with significant portions of Democrats, not just Republicans. I feel like you’re almost saying the only “real” Democrat is a far leftist, and somehow the millions and millions of Democratic voters that aren’t far left but are centrists or moderate left, aren’t real Democrats. I’d argue in a two party system it’s much more likely that in fact, most Democrats are moderate left / centrist. In a different system maybe they’d be in the CDU and you guys would be Social Dems, but we don’t have a system with that level of party granularity. > [@](#): > > My point is that there is an entire generation of new voters willing to vote for democrats who act like democrats. Moderate republicans may play a role in the democratic party, but the real reason the democrats won is because young people showed up to vote. So you’re defining “act like Democrats” to mean act like Bernie Sanders (not a Democrat), or Ocasio-Cortez? Someone at the far end of the political spectrum. > [@](#): > > There was some political realignment in 2016. Republicans who score low on bigotry and authoritarianism switched and became democrats, while democrats who score high on bigotry and authoritarianism became republicans. But each group was about 10% of their respective parties, and I think they mostly cancelled each other out. I’m skeptical very many of us “switched” to being Democrats, we voted for Hillary as a countervote to Trump, we did not ideological align with leftism. > [@](#): > > Watering down democratic agendas to appeal to moderate republicans (in geographic areas where the cook ranking is fairly leftist, or on the national level) carry its own risks. It could make blacks, labor unions and liberals stay home and not vote, not volunteer or not donate money. It isn’t a risk free political strategy. A third way democratic party unwilling to take on the oligarchy, unwilling to stand up for minorities and unwilling to address economic inequality that still wants high levels of turnout, volunteerism and donations from democratic base donors is going to run into issues. I’d agree, but you seem to conflate “moderate Republican” and “moderate Democrats”, one of those I agree you can do without, but I don’t think you win national elections in America appealing to roughly 1/3rd of the Democratic voting base with policies outright disliked by the remaining 2/3rd (those numbers are just conversational, I have no idea what % of Dems are “progressive”, but I know it’s not a majority.) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/232 "2020-01-23T19:27:17Z")
Bush/Cheney is what switched me to the Democratic side. Nothing since has persuaded me the Republicans are anything close to the party I first joined. Trump is less evil than Cheney but far more embarrassing to the country and insane. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/233 "2020-01-23T19:44:21Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Can we stop with this falsehood that Trump said that neo-Nazis were “fine people”? Trump lying and saying that he didn’t say something that we all heard him say is not exactly the rock solid proof of his innocence that you think it is, counselor. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/234 "2020-01-23T19:57:14Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > A few months ago, Bernie and Warren twitter warriors were slinging shit at Pete for using chartered jets even though they very well know that getting to and from South Bend is a bitch. So, I’m glad payback is a bitch. Well, if _people on Twitter_ said stuff, what else is there to say, amirite? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/235 "2020-01-23T20:26:16Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Well, if _people on Twitter_ said stuff, what else is there to say, amirite? 😛 I do think Twitter is very powerful. The Warren campaign made a huge blunder by thinking the wine cave crap being spewed by Bernie and Warren stans mattered and bumbled December and the debate on it. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/236 "2020-01-23T20:36:48Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I’m not a Democrat so I’m not usually in the business of advising Democrats on how to get votes–as I’ve usually wished to see them lose elections. So I can’t speak to this. I would suggest that you win in politics at least Federally by fielding a coalition that can win the Senate and Electoral College. I’m not convinced a far leftist idealogue will be able to build such a coalition due to the geographic realities of the sort of people who support that sort of thing. I get that concern. As a Warren/Sanders supporter (order changes day by day), that freaking terrifies me. And someone who supports Biden because they think he’s more electable? Totally a reasonable position. At the same time, I worry that that’s the sort of thinking Republicans had in 2016 about Trump, during the primary; and I worry that’s the same sort of thinking that Democrats had about Sanders in 2016, during the primary. Democrats chose the electable candidate. Republicans chose the immoderate blunt-talking populist candidate, the clearly unsafe, unelectable candidate. And Republicans won with theirs, and Democrats lost with theirs. [Real Clear Politics](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html) shows that Sanders beats trump by an average of 3.5 points. Biden’s got a 4.6 spread. Warren’s got a 1.0 spread. Those are all pretty close to one another, especially the Sanders and Biden. I hear from a lot of midroad Trump supporters a complete disgust with politicians in general, a belief that they’re all liars in it for themselves. I think that there are some establishment Democrats who feel the same way about Sanders, but there are also some voters who see Sanders as more honest than Biden, or even Warren (as someone who likes Warren a touch more than Sanders, I’d agree Sanders is more honest than Warren). [The polling is complicated and fraught](https://morningconsult.com/2020/01/14/why-bernie-sanders-is-electable-too/). Anyone who’s claiming certainty about how a Sanders/Trump matchup would go, especially compared to how a Biden/Trump matchup went, didn’t learn the fundamental lesson of humility that 2016 tried to teach. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/237 "2020-01-23T21:40:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Because there were no others aside from white supremacists and neo-Nazis on that side. Anyone that marches along in a group that is dominated by neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and neo-Nazi/white-supremacist chanting, imagery, and symbolism, is a neo-Nazi or white supremacist. > [@Jophiel](#): > > 'Cause we all saw photos of the rally and its participants and a “But not _those_ guys _wink_wink\*” doesn’t amount to much? > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Trump lying and saying that he didn’t say something that we all heard him say is not exactly the rock solid proof of his innocence that you think it is, counselor. So when he says fine people on both sides, and then clearly says that he was only talking about the people wanting to keep confederate statues, and then expressly disclaims that he is talking about neo-nazis, then that clearly means he was talking about neo-nazis? I linked his actual words. Maybe you think he was lying and really did want to praise neo-nazis. Fine. But what he did not do was praise neo-nazis and he specifically disclaimed that he was referring to neo-nazis. The Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong with you guys, and what is does is make people disbelieve everything else you say about him when you are willing to take a statement where he condemns neo-nazis and turn it into a statement that he supports neo-nazis. If Trump said, “There are fine people on both sides of the abortion debate, but not those who bomb abortion clinics, they should be condemned” some of you would write headlines saying “Trump says abortion clinic bombers are ‘fine people’” Where is the reality in any of this? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/238 "2020-01-23T21:43:25Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > So when he says fine people on both sides, and then clearly says that he was only talking about the people wanting to keep confederate statues, and then expressly disclaims that he is talking about neo-nazis, then that clearly means he was talking about neo-nazis? > > I linked his actual words. Maybe you think he was lying and really did want to praise neo-nazis. Fine. But what he did not do was praise neo-nazis and he specifically disclaimed that he was referring to neo-nazis. > > The Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong with you guys, and what is does is make people disbelieve everything else you say about him when you are willing to take a statement where he condemns neo-nazis and turn it into a statement that he supports neo-nazis. > > If Trump said, “There are fine people on both sides of the abortion debate, but not those who bomb abortion clinics, they should be condemned” some of you would write headlines saying “Trump says abortion clinic bombers are ‘fine people’” Where is the reality in any of this? The reality is that Trump praised white supremacists, then lied and said he wasn’t praising white supremacists. It’s quite simple. He lies blatantly and openly and brazenly, and tons of Americans buy it because they can’t conceive of someone lying so brazenly and so openly. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/239 "2020-01-23T21:46:42Z")
“Those guys over there are wonderful people” (points at a group of Nazis) “I don’t mean the Nazis, but those guys over there are great people”. Just straight lies out in the open for all to see. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/240 "2020-01-23T21:53:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “Those guys over there are wonderful people” (points at a group of Nazis) > > “I don’t mean the Nazis, but those guys over there are great people”. > > Just straight lies out in the open for all to see. Nailed it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=13)