# Hillary tells it like it is about Bernie and his bros **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751 "2020-01-21T16:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/21 "2020-01-21T17:16:36Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Hell yeah, but the issue isn’t people like us. It’s less politically involved people who aren’t gonna vote for Trump, but don’t really believe the Dems will do much for them either. They’ll vote Dem if they vote, but plenty of them won’t bother. If they feel cheated, maybe. If this was a FAIR fight and Biden or whoever won fair, and won on their own merits, the 'Bernie Bros" might be more inclined to vote. If you make it seem like their vote doesn’t matter then they might not. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/22 "2020-01-21T17:19:13Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > And Bernie isn’t sexist or racist. Your post isn’t helping to refute the accusations. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/23 "2020-01-21T17:19:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > We don’t hate Sanders. We may prefer a different candidate but that doesn’t mean we won’t accept Sanders if he wins the nomination. We will support Sanders and vote for him even if he isn’t our first choice. > > What we’re worried about is the possibility that Sanders supporters don’t feel the same way. That if they don’t get Sanders they won’t support any other Democrat. I addressed this in my last post. Just read that. Bernie supporters were fine until all this crap was slung against him. I voted Hillary… We’re not all monoliths voters. Yes some people might have not voted for Hillary but I did. Hillary saying that she might not support Bernie now if he were to become candidate. What’s that shit? ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/24 "2020-01-21T17:20:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Your post isn’t helping to refute the accusations. I don’t need to refute those accusations, go look up old videos of him talking about women being president. And being black in America. Don’t be silly. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/25 "2020-01-21T17:21:16Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Hell yeah, but the issue isn’t people like us. It’s less politically involved people who aren’t gonna vote for Trump, but don’t really believe the Dems will do much for them either. They’ll vote Dem if they vote, but plenty of them won’t bother. Actually both Biden & Sanders should do much better than Hillary in the rust belt. So they both have a good chance of beating Trump. I think Warren is less likely to improve much in the rust belt. Buttigieg you would think would do OK in the rust belt but there seems to be a lot of polls showing him doing poorly with African-Americans, not that they’ll vote Trump, just that they won’t show up to vote in the same numbers as they would for others and especially Biden. Sanders is polling really well with young voters. > [@jasg](#): > > I am disturbed by the fact that Trump and many conservative pundits and strategists seem to want Sanders to get the nomination. Seemed like the Republicans loved the idea of getting Hillary last time too. So hard to say. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/26 "2020-01-21T17:21:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s hard to imagine anything Hillary Clinton could do that would be more beneficial to Bernie than this. If this is her goal, then well done in assisting Bernie! If not, then it just reinforces my suspicion that Hillary Clinton is pretty bad at presidential electoral politics. The people who would view this rejection of Bernie as a plus are the already probably voting for him, so I think it will mostly be a wash as far as the primary goes. The problem is that this reinforces the persecution complex exhibited by many of his supporters, making it more likely that they will decide to take their ball and go home when he loses the primary resulting in 4 more years of Trump. I have the greatest respect for Hillary, I voted for her in 2008 and 2016. If she didn’t have all the baggage heaped on her from 27 years of Republican mud slinging I would prefer her to any of the current crop of Democratic candidates. But now that she’s lost, she seriously needs to fade gracefully into the background and take up oil water color painting or something. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/27 "2020-01-21T17:22:26Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > If people keep patronizing the Bernie supporters… > > It’s so crazy how much you think that we are involved with Trump’s nonsense. > > Remember when Clinton thanked Bernie for all the campaigning he did on her behalf? Now it’s wasn’t enough!? I remember Bernie taking for-fucking-ever to end his campaign and endorse Hillary, long after Hillary had clinched the nomination. Yes, I’m still bitter. > [@](#): > > If they hated Bernie so much why didn’t they say so in the beginning of all of this. They’re getting desperate. It’s so transparent and counterproductive. Because they thought Bernie was yesterday’s news and Warren was the real threat, so they threw shit at her first. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/28 "2020-01-21T17:22:49Z")
Btw… Liz Warren is still my second choice. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/29 "2020-01-21T17:23:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I remember Bernie taking for-fucking-ever to end his campaign and endorse Hillary, long after Hillary had clinched the nomination. > > Yes, I’m still bitter. > Because they thought Bernie was yesterday’s news and Warren was the real threat, so they threw shit at her first. They probably shouldn’t be throwing shit. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/30 "2020-01-21T17:24:39Z")
In the end, Biden probably has the easiest path to being President. He probably should have run last time in fact. I’m not a fan, but he has a really good chance of beating Trump. Sanders has some issues that could hurt and he has the second best chance of beating Trump today at least. So as the nomination will probably be decided before the New Jersey Primary, I’ll put out signs and campaign for whoever gets the nom as decided by other states. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/31 "2020-01-21T17:28:18Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Btw… Liz Warren is still my second choice. My second choice seems to change from day to day. Maryland’s primary isn’t until April 28, so it’s not like I expect it to matter. If we get past Super Tuesday and the situation is still fluid, well, I’ll deal with it then. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/32 "2020-01-21T17:28:36Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > They probably shouldn’t be throwing shit. This is coming from your years of experience as a campaign manager? "Never insult your opponent " is your professional moto? ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/33 "2020-01-21T17:30:21Z")
I don’t know. I don’t mind too much if I someone else wins I just want Trump out. as soon as people start attacking Bernie and his supporters they’re going to get defensive because Bernie is quite honestly a great candidate. “Bernie Bros” is offensive to women as if they don’t have their own agency… and simply can’t like Bernie on their own. I’m sick of people reducing us to Trump supporter like levels, their racist and sexist and we are not. Stop patronizing us. Stop dismissing us. And stop talking down to us. You’ll find where much nicer when you’re nicer to us. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/34 "2020-01-21T17:31:22Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > This is coming from your years of experience as a campaign manager? "Never insult your opponent " is your professional moto? I think things were going well until s\*\*\* started going down. When has Sanders PURPOSLEY thrown s\*\*\*? When he said I’m sick of the damn emails? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/35 "2020-01-21T17:31:43Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > You know, after successfully losing to a freak show like Trump… She didn’t lose. Three million more people voted for her than for fuckface. She was more popular than fuckface in the election. She got more votes than he did in the election. She lost the presidency but not the election. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/36 "2020-01-21T17:35:44Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > She didn’t lose. Three million more people voted for her than for fuckface. She was more popular than fuckface in the election. She got more votes than he did in the election. She lost the presidency but not the election. She lost, she lost as she lost states that she should have won. The goddamn electoral college is what mattered and she did not win it. She lost it more than Gore lost it. There is no reason to bother raising it in a thread like this. Save it for crazy Trump supporters that want to pretend he won the popular vote. I hate the electoral college, I hate that a Wyoming vote is worth something like 7 New Jersey votes. It is a fucked up system where rural states are already over-powered via Congress. We should have a popular vote, but we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/37 "2020-01-21T17:36:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And Bernie is the reason Bernie lost. He ran a worse campaign than Clinton did. Sometimes it feels like they ran two different races. Clinton ran a _spectacular_ campaign for the DNC nomination, in that she realized early on all of the checkboxes she’d need to tick (senate, SoS) and got the DNC on her side _early_. Bernie’s plan of not really being a Democrat and openly mocking the Democratic establishment was indeed a pretty poor strategy in retrospect. I find it unsurprising that the same Clinton who tried to lock up the nomination before the primary even started and then got mad at Bernie for not falling in line with the DNC’s non-democratic decision continues to badmouth Bernie. Truly unsurprising. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/38 "2020-01-21T17:36:40Z")
“Nobody likes Bernie” said the woman who lost a popularity contest to Donald Trump :smack: Attn. Hillary, You are a loathsome Wall Street Reptile who never met a war you didn’t like. Fuck off back into the woods with your rapey husband and never, ever come back. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/39 "2020-01-21T17:38:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Nothing more amusing than the reliable reply of “this criticism HELPS!” No, it doesn’t. At most, it’ll be nothing but it’s pretty silly to think this will somehow swing votes to Bernie. I think this is normally accurate, but in this specific case I think a very significant chunk of Bernie supporters (and potential Bernie supporters) are fueled by a hatred of Hillary Clinton and the political establishment in general. If that’s true, and if that chunk is more significant than Bernie supporters (and potential Bernie supporters) who really like and value Hillary’s opinion (as I think it is), then I think this kind of criticism from Hillary is a net positive for Bernie. But this is all just, essentially, political gossiping. Who the hell knows? I’m guessing, based on my priors. Stuff like this is nearly impossible to predict with anything approaching certainty. Kind of like arguing which team will win a given football game. It’s barely more than a wild guess. ---
**Author:** ![somepumpkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@somepumpkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/somepumpkin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/40 "2020-01-21T17:45:36Z")
Ugh. Stories like this reveal how the Democrats don’t really give a damn about the wellness of our country. They’re selfishly concerned for their own money and prestige. The only thing the D candidates should be saying about one another is (some version of); “While I have a much better plan and would be a much better president than anyone else, my (Democratic) opponent –if elected- would also be a great representative and leader of our nation”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=3)