# Hillary tells it like it is about Bernie and his bros **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751 "2020-01-21T16:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/41 "2020-01-21T17:48:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think this is normally accurate, but in this specific case I think a very significant chunk of Bernie supporters (and potential Bernie supporters) are fueled by a hatred of Hillary Clinton and the political establishment in general. If that’s true, and if that chunk is more significant than Bernie supporters (and potential Bernie supporters) who really like and value Hillary’s opinion (as I think it is), then I think this kind of criticism from Hillary is a net positive for Bernie. > > But this is all just, essentially, political gossiping. Who the hell knows? I’m guessing, based on my priors. Stuff like this is nearly impossible to predict with anything approaching certainty. Kind of like arguing which team will win a given football game. It’s barely more than a wild guess. No, quit pretending everything is meaningless and we’re all just guessing. You are saying this stuff from Hillary helps Sanders, and your reasoning is that now Sanders supporters are REALLY going to be Sanders supporters, especially if they already don’t like Clinton. Can you not see how silly and vapid that is? ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/42 "2020-01-21T17:50:55Z")
> **[Sanders responds to Clinton comments: ‘My focus today is on a monumental...](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479163-sanders-responds-to-clinton-comments-my-focus-today-is-on-a-monumental/)** > > Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) brushed off criticism from his former political rival Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, insisting that he was focused on President Trump’s impeachment trial.In a statemen… See. Classy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/43 "2020-01-21T17:52:34Z")
> [@somepumpkin](#): > > Ugh. Stories like this reveal how the Democrats don’t really give a damn about the wellness of our country. They’re selfishly concerned for their own money and prestige. The only thing the D candidates should be saying about one another is (some version of); “While I have a much better plan and would be a much better president than anyone else, my opponent –if elected- would also be a great representative and leader of our nation”. The Democratic party is a pretty shitty organization – pretty shitty for workers, pretty shitty for women (though at least there’s been a bit of positive movement on this in recent years), pretty shitty for minorities, etc. It’s only because the GOP is basically a rape-tolerant, pro-white-supremacism, pro-corruption, and pro-exploitation party that it becomes clear why it’s so important for the future of the US to elect Democrats and not Republicans. The Democrats are mundanely bad – bad in the way that most big organizations are bad (i.e. pushing the status quo, mainly concerned about money and power, etc.). The GOP is historically bad, perhaps only exceeded in badness by, in US history, the Confederates, as far as large national political organizations/movements. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/44 "2020-01-21T17:56:16Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No, quit pretending everything is meaningless and we’re all just guessing. You are saying this stuff from Hillary helps Sanders, and your reasoning is that now Sanders supporters are REALLY going to be Sanders supporters, especially if they already don’t like Clinton. Can you not see how silly and vapid that is? That’s not really what I’m saying. I’m saying that there are lot of potential Bernie voters out there, IMO, that could be motivated by hatred of Hillary and the political establishment to support Bernie (and the already-supporting-Bernie ones will be even more motivated to donate, volunteer, and vote). I don’t know for sure, and this kind of discussion is no more than “opinion A based on feelings vs opinion B based on feelings”. Which can be fun, and I don’t have a problem with it. But we can stop here – you’re already accusing me of being dishonest (“pretending”) and this isn’t the first time, IIRC, you’ve brought whatever weird problem you have with me into GD/Elections threads. I suggest you Pit me if you really want to discuss your problems with me as a poster. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/45 "2020-01-21T17:56:21Z")
I’m a Bernie supporter and I vastly prefer Hillary when she is honest. Her statement that half of Trump’s supporters are a basket of deplorables was spot on and totally true, but she walked it back for fear of criticism. She makes a good point about Sanders not accomplishing much as a senator. But thats not why lots of us support him. We support him to move the overton window and show society and the political establishment that we want a meaningful progressive era to start. Bernie Sanders and AOC and the others are just the start, we’re trying to build a progressive era that won’t reach fruition until the 2030s or so. That would be like claiming movement conservatism was a failure because it hadn’t accomplished anything by 1978. Of course it hadn’t, it was just starting back then. Right now we’re focusing on building a grassroots movement, empowering small donors to get involved in politics, primaries from the left, building coalitions and things like that. Its not going to happen overnight. Also I’m not sure why she keeps implying its misogyny. The vast majority of Bernie primary voters (including myself) voted for Clinton in the general. Lots of us go back and forth between Bernie and Warren. I’d vastly prefer Warren over a third way male democrat for example. Also the media lies about Hillary Clinton endlessly, do we even know if these accusations are true? I mean it seems to be true, but lots of us have seen the Clintons be lied about so much that we need verification on whether a criticism of them is true or not. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/46 "2020-01-21T17:57:19Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > “Nobody likes Bernie” said the woman who lost a popularity contest to Donald Trump :smack: > > Attn. Hillary, > > You are a loathsome Wall Street Reptile who never met a war you didn’t like. Fuck off back into the woods with your rapey husband and never, ever come back. > > Thanks Which third party are you going to throw your vote away on when Bernie gets his ass whipped in the primaries? There’s a lot fewer caucuses for him to pack his Bros with this time around. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/47 "2020-01-21T17:57:24Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Do Bernie folks complain that Hillary took Bernie’s victory? I’ve never heard it in person, where I have heard from a lot of ardent Hillary supporters about how Bernie ruined her chances. It’s been four years and the Bernie supporters I know are STILL convinced that it was some Clinton-DNC cabal that stole Sanders’ certain primary victory. And won’t shut up about it. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/48 "2020-01-21T18:02:26Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I’m a Bernie supporter and I vastly prefer Hillary when she is honest. Her statement that half of Trump’s supporters are a basket of deplorables was spot on and totally true, but she walked it back for fear of criticism. > > She makes a good point about Sanders not accomplishing much as a senator. But thats not why lots of us support him. We support him to move the overton window and show society and the political establishment that we want a meaningful progressive era to start. Bernie Sanders and AOC and the others are just the start, we’re trying to build a progressive era that won’t reach fruition until the 2030s or so. That would be like claiming movement conservatism was a failure because it hadn’t accomplished anything by 1978. Of course it hadn’t, it was just starting back then. Right now we’re focusing on building a grassroots movement, empowering small donors to get involved in politics, primaries from the left, building coalitions and things like that. Its not going to happen overnight. > > Also I’m not sure why she keeps implying its misogyny. The vast majority of Bernie primary voters (including myself) voted for Clinton in the general. Lots of us go back and forth between Bernie and Warren. > > Also the media lies about Hillary Clinton endlessly, do we even know if these accusations are true? I mean it seems to be true, but lots of us have seen the Clintons be lied about so much that we need verification on whether a criticism of them is true or not. I don’t give a damn about moving the fucking window, I want to win elections. Bernie is a lying vile shitstain on American politics only slightly less toxic than Trump. One look at his 2020 campaign staff tell you all you need to know about Bernie. AOC is a naive unfunny joke and thankfully her hype is diminishing which is why she keeps saying more outlandish garbage to get attention. Warren is a deeply flawed candidate but at least she’s not as completely in fantasy land like Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/49 "2020-01-21T18:04:48Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > It’s been four years and the Bernie supporters I know are STILL convinced that it was some Clinton-DNC cabal that stole Sanders’ certain primary victory. And won’t shut up about it. Why were there only 6 people running for the Democratic nomination in 2016? And 4 years later, with Clinton _not_ working in lockstep with the DNC, there are/were more than 2 dozen? I don’t think she stole anything from anyone, Bernie was always an outside chance, but something unusual happened that cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/50 "2020-01-21T18:06:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > From the perspective of a Bernie supporter (though I also like a handful of the other candidates), hopefully she will keep this kind of thing up and go on national TV, again and again, attacking Bernie. Hillary Clinton lost the last election, sure. But she got, what, 3 million more votes than Trump. I ‘d say there are still plenty of people in this country that still like her and respect her opinions. If so, your premise here is could be dangerous to your hopes for Bernie in the coming election, and you might want to consider the old adage about getting what you ask for. Just sayin’. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/51 "2020-01-21T18:12:11Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I don’t give a damn about moving the fucking window, I want to win elections. > > Bernie is a lying vile shitstain on American politics only slightly less toxic than Trump. One look at his 2020 campaign staff tell you all you need to know about Bernie. > > AOC is a naive unfunny joke and thankfully her hype is diminishing which is why she keeps saying more outlandish garbage to get attention. > > Warren is a deeply flawed candidate but at least she’s not as completely in fantasy land like Bernie. Man, you’re negative. Who do you actually support? Last I checked AOC is not running. Why bring her up? I’m not a huge fan of her, but what’s wrong with a progressive young voice? We could probably use a lot more under 50 year olds in Congress. Is it Biden you support at least? Someone with a really good chance to unseat Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/52 "2020-01-21T18:14:00Z")
“Nobody likes Sanders”? Really? He sure got a heck of a lot of votes for someone “nobody likes”. And if nobody really liked him, to whom is she directing these comments? She’s telling it like it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/53 "2020-01-21T18:21:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > “Nobody likes Sanders”? Really? He sure got a heck of a lot of votes for someone “nobody likes”. And if nobody really liked him, to whom is she directing these comments? > > She’s telling it like it isn’t. Yeah, that one threw me too. If nobody liked him, his poll numbers would be down there with guys like Bennet. Also, at least [according to the headlines](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-blasts-sanders-won-t-commit-backing-him-party-n1119011) I see, Hillary’s not willing to say she’ll vote for Bernie if he’s the Dem nominee. Sorry, Hillary, but if you want to even _pretend_ to be one of the adults in the room on the Dem side, that’s one of the most basic and minimal qualifiers. You support the Dem nominee against Trump, no matter who it is. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/54 "2020-01-21T18:23:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > “Nobody likes Sanders”? Really? He sure got a heck of a lot of votes for someone “nobody likes”. And if nobody really liked him, to whom is she directing these comments? > > She’s telling it like it isn’t. ‘Nobody likes Sanders’ is in my linked articles which refers to his colleagues in Congress. It’s stunning how little support Bernie has received from those who know him best. Heck even during Bernie’s first couple of years in the House, Barney Frank pegged him as a useless windbag that was impossible to work with and refused to compromise. Acting like a spoiled toddler isn’t good for useless back bench representative, much less a Senator and certainly not a President. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/55 "2020-01-21T18:24:09Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Why were there only 6 people running for the Democratic nomination in 2016? And 4 years later, with Clinton _not_ working in lockstep with the DNC, there are/were more than 2 dozen? I don’t think there’s much mystery behind “Why did no one want to run against the obvious power candidate?” Or why, after seeing Trump win, everyone thinks “Hey, I can totally do that!” and jumps into the race (and Biden held off for a time before entering so his presence had less impact than Clinton’s) > [@Chronos](#): > > “Nobody likes Sanders”? Really? He sure got a heck of a lot of votes for someone “nobody likes”. Her comments, in context, are clearly about his Congressional colleagues: _“He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done.”_ ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/56 "2020-01-21T18:25:12Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Man, you’re negative. Who do you actually support? Last I checked AOC is not running. Why bring her up? I’m not a huge fan of her, but what’s wrong with a progressive young voice? We could probably use a lot more under 50 year olds in Congress. > > Is it Biden you support at least? Someone with a really good chance to unseat Trump. Buttigieg is my top candidate, Biden would be second. I liked Kamala and Booker as well. Sanders would be at the bottom, he’s even worse than Tulsi. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/57 "2020-01-21T18:28:57Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > “Nobody likes Sanders”? Really? He sure got a heck of a lot of votes for someone “nobody likes”. And if nobody really liked him, to whom is she directing these comments? > > She’s telling it like it isn’t. I believe she’s referring to his popularity/support within the Senate itself, not with the voters. The democrat’s “Ted Cruz” , so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/58 "2020-01-21T18:35:02Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Why were there only 6 people running for the Democratic nomination in 2016? And 4 years later, with Clinton _not_ working in lockstep with the DNC, there are/were more than 2 dozen? > > I don’t think she stole anything from anyone, Bernie was always an outside chance, but something unusual happened that cycle. And clearly, given the fact that the DNC field in 2012 consisted of _one_ candidate, the Clintons must’ve been working overtime pulling the strings behind it all. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/59 "2020-01-21T18:38:31Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > I am disturbed by the fact that Trump and many conservative pundits and strategists seem to want Sanders to get the nomination. He’s a weaker candidate than Biden, lefter than Biden, would be easier for Republicans in Congress to stymie and oppose than Biden, older than Biden, and it would be less likely that Democrats would support Bernie en masse than they would Biden. It’s a no-brainer; Bernie as presidential candidate would be considerably better for Republicans than Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/60 "2020-01-21T18:44:03Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Why were there only 6 people running for the Democratic nomination in 2016? Because, like in 2000, one Democrat was overwhelmingly popular with the primary electorate well before the primary even started. [Gore polled between 50 and 60 in spring of 1999.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Polling) [Gore polled higher than that in spring 2015.](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html) There is nothing unusual about most people declining to enter a contest that they will surely lose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=4)