# Hillary tells it like it is about Bernie and his bros **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751 "2020-01-21T16:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/101 "2020-01-21T23:19:05Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Hmmm… Imagine if a man said he would only work with a male director. Yes, in this incredibly patriarchal culture in which women are regularly denigrated and relegated to inferior roles, much more rarely getting prestigious opportunities like directing major media productions, to demand a male director would be extremely bigoted and misogynistic. In this patriarchal and misogynistic society, demanding a female director is actually a very positive act. If more folks do this, maybe women will actually get the same opportunities that men get. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/102 "2020-01-21T23:36:23Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Hmmm… Imagine if a man said he would only work with a male director. And how come there’s not a _White_ History Month??? ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/103 "2020-01-21T23:53:36Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > You know, after successfully losing to a freak show like Trump, how is her whining of any value? Hillary is the reason why Hillary lost. You know, that whole ran a bad campaign thing. She should shut up and fade away now. > > Oh, and I voted for Hillary last time of course, because you know, she still wasn’t Trump. My sentiments exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/104 "2020-01-22T00:08:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Clinton campaigned a lot more for Obama after he defeated her in 2008 than Sanders campaigned for Clinton after she defeated him in 2016. Do you have a cite for this? I certainly don’t have a cite for the opposite, except that I’ve read people claiming the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/105 "2020-01-22T00:12:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I completely agree. \*\*But I’m hoping that if Sanders doesn’t get the nomination, his supporters will fall in behind whoever does. > \*\* > > Worst case scenario is we end up with a “Sanders is my first choice. Trump is my second choice.” movement. This is what worries me about Clinton’s comments and her outward antipathy toward Sanders, especially coming on the heels of Warren’s playing the (white - or is it Native American?) woman card. If Sanders somehow loses a race that his staunchest supporters believe he should win, they’re not going to forgive and forget, and if Biden or some other current Senator becomes the beneficiary, then I wouldn’t necessarily expect them to bury the hatchet at election time. But like Andy, I kinda think that this is something that will only energize his supporters and make them more determined to close ranks, more determined to play the victim card. Clinton just fired up the lawn mower near a hive of killer bees. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/106 "2020-01-22T00:16:08Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Sanders did come out of nowhere and win 43% of the vote. Granted not a majority and him not winning a majority of delegates is why he lost. But there is a trendline of the democratic party becoming more progressive and grassroots. Yep, he went from 2% support when he announced to 43% just over a year later. Pretty damn impressive by any reasonable standard. But the OP heaps scorn on him while calling Pete Buttigieg a political genius for getting from zero all the way up to 7%. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/107 "2020-01-22T00:23:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Warren’s playing the (white - or is it Native American?) woman card. Gross and Trumpian. Be better than this sort of shit. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/108 "2020-01-22T00:27:14Z")
Hillary Clinton on Twitter: she will support the nominee > ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/109 "2020-01-22T00:34:24Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Gross and Trumpian. Be better than this sort of shit. No, it’s actually not Trumpian at all. I think those who want to gloss over this part of Elizabeth Warren’s history by dismissing it as nothing more than a Trumpian insult don’t get it. I’ll let the Intercept’s Briahna Gray explain why Warren has a potential credibility problem: > **[What Elizabeth Warren Still Doesn't Get](https://theintercept.com/2018/10/16/elizabeth-warren-dna-video-native-american-harvard/)** > > Rather than defend her Native ancestry, Warren should acknowledge that diversity means more than genetics. > [@](#): > > According to a much-cited investigation by the Boston Globe, Warren consistently checked “white” on personnel forms throughout her career, including in 1981, 1985, and 1998 while employed at the University of Texas. But in the 1986-1987 edition of the Association of American Law School’s directory and eight subsequent editions, Warren listed herself as a minority. She began identifying as Native American on personnel forms three years into her post at the University of Pennsylvania. And while multiple professors have attested to the fact that Warren was considered white during the hiring process at Harvard University, in 1995 she self-identified as Native American, and the school’s statistics were updated to reflect as much. Harvard recorded Warren as Native American from 1995 to 2004. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot that I’ve liked about Elizabeth Warren, but she of all people doesn’t get to play the woman card – not when she’s already fraudulently tried to play the minority card. And sorry, when she self-identified as a minority, that was a deliberate decision. And if it wasn’t initially, then it was a deliberate decision to keep talking about her Native American ancestry as if she were truly a member of a minority culture as late as 2012. > **[Warren explains minority listing, talks of grandfather's "high cheekbones"](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/warren-explains-minority-listing-talks-of-grandfathers-high-cheekbones/)** > > Attempting to articulate her reasons for identifying as a minority in the 1980s and 90s, Warren recounts Aunt's story about "high cheekbones," like "all of the Indians" have > [@](#): > > Being Native American is part of who our family is and I’m glad to tell anyone about that. I am just very proud of it," Warren said. I detest Trump and I actually kinda like Warren, but the Pocahontas meme ain’t ever goin away and it’s her fault. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/110 "2020-01-22T00:35:25Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Yep, he went from 2% support when he announced to 43% just over a year later. Pretty damn impressive by any reasonable standard. But the OP heaps scorn on him while calling Pete Buttigieg a political genius for getting from zero all the way up to 7%. Go figure. Sanders, unlike Buttigieg, was also running in what was effectively a two person race. If you’re going to make that comparison, make sure to note that Sanders’ support has dropped from 43% in 2016 to around 20% today. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/111 "2020-01-22T00:37:11Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Yep, he went from 2% support when he announced to 43% just over a year later. Pretty damn impressive by any reasonable standard. But the OP heaps scorn on him while calling Pete Buttigieg a political genius for getting from zero all the way up to 7%. Go figure. Nice try, bro. Anyone who knew politics in 2016 knew that Bernie Sanders was a backbench windbag know for useless long speeches on the Senate floor. He’s never held a job outside of Vermont or national politics, I can’t imagine anyone with any knowledge of politics not being aware of him even as a novelty socialist mayor. Pete Buttigieg was maybe known from his DNC chair brief run and perhaps as coming out if you follow the LGBT media. Pete has run the most amazing campaign in the modern political (1960 to the present) era I’ve ever seen. One year ago today, Kamala Harris made her announcement and I was certainly prepared to support her. On January 23, Pete announced and I thought it was cute. Now look where we are. Kamala is being a great senator and Pete is ready to win Iowa. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/112 "2020-01-22T00:45:30Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Hillary Clinton on Twitter: she will support the nominee > > [https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/1219773503735508992?s=21](https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/1219773503735508992?s=21) I’m guessing she would, but she’s also saying she’ll support the nominee precisely because doesn’t really believe that it’ll be Bernie Sanders. The blunt truth is that Clinton speaks for many in the Democratic party who believe that Sanders would be a disaster of George McGovern proportions. And from their point of view, Bernie Sanders losing the general election would be winning because as much as they fear him winning the nomination, they fear him actually winning the presidency even more. Bernie Sanders is to establishment democrats what Donald Trump was to never-Trumpers. He’s the nightmare that threatens to change the party into something completely unrecognizable. What Democrats fear even more than Bernie’s nomination going down in flames like McGovern is a one-term presidency going down in flames like Jimmy Carter – that gave us Ronald Reagan. And I think Carter is a hell of a lot more competent and knows more about ‘presidentin’ than Sanders could ever dream of. So yeah, the Clintons, the Obamas, Rahm Emanuel, and Nancy Pelosi won’t ever really come out and say it – check that, all those except Hillary – the fact is they don’t want Bernie anywhere near Milwaukee…though they would somehow like to miraculously hold on to his committed legion of supporters I reckon. Not an easy feat to pull off. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/113 "2020-01-22T00:57:12Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Bullsh\*t. People just want a fair election. What are you talking about in regards to racism?? Did you not see in my post in which you said you liked it when people call Sanders racist? Trump supporters also seem to like it when Trump is called racist. It is bizarre. > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Sanders did come out of nowhere and win 43% of the vote. Was that 43% of the vote against the incredibly strong candidate who got the whole DNC to cheat on her behalf? Or is that 43% of the vote against the super weak and incompetent candidate who couldn’t even beat Trump and his 46% of the vote? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/114 "2020-01-22T00:57:22Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Sanders, unlike Buttigieg, was also running in what was effectively a two person race. If you’re going to make that comparison, make sure to note that Sanders’ support has dropped from 43% in 2016 to around 20% today. A fair point. Still, 20% is more than 7%. > [@dalej42](#): > > Nice try, bro. Anyone who knew politics in 2016 knew that Bernie Sanders was a backbench windbag know for useless long speeches on the Senate floor. He’s never held a job outside of Vermont or national politics, I can’t imagine anyone with any knowledge of politics not being aware of him even as a novelty socialist mayor. > > Pete Buttigieg was maybe known from his DNC chair brief run and perhaps as coming out if you follow the LGBT media. Pete has run the most amazing campaign in the modern political (1960 to the present) era I’ve ever seen. One year ago today, Kamala Harris made her announcement and I was certainly prepared to support her. On January 23, Pete announced and I thought it was cute. Now look where we are. Kamala is being a great senator and Pete is ready to win Iowa. A bizarrely delusional point from a man who apparently has never heard of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. And although it’s certainly not out of the question that he might win Iowa, he’s currently in third place there, and a lot closer to fourth than to second. Even if he does somehow win Iowa and New Hampshire both, he’ll still be toast when the states that aren’t lily-white start voting. Nationally, he’s in fourth and struggling to stay ahead of Mike Bloomberg. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/115 "2020-01-22T01:01:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s not really what I’m saying. I’m saying that there are lot of potential Bernie voters out there, IMO, that could be motivated by hatred of Hillary and the political establishment to support Bernie (and the already-supporting-Bernie ones will be even more motivated to donate, volunteer, and vote). I don’t know for sure, and this kind of discussion is no more than “opinion A based on feelings vs opinion B based on feelings”. Which can be fun, and I don’t have a problem with it. > > But we can stop here – you’re already accusing me of being dishonest (“pretending”) and this isn’t the first time, IIRC, you’ve brought whatever weird problem you have with me into GD/Elections threads. I suggest you Pit me if you really want to discuss your problems with me as a poster. I’m sorry but some of the things you say you think are so silly, I assume they are rhetorical devices. I mean you really think there is some possible Bernie supporters out there who are so mad at Hillary, they’re going to get off their ass on election day just to prove her wrong? When she isn’t even running? People like that only exist in movies as a plot device, at least in any number to be measured. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/116 "2020-01-22T01:03:21Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > A fair point. Still, 20% is more than 7%. > > A bizarrely delusional point from a man who apparently has never heard of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. > > And although it’s certainly not out of the question that he might win Iowa, he’s currently in third place there, and a lot closer to fourth than to second. Even if he does somehow win Iowa and New Hampshire both, he’ll still be toast when the states that aren’t lily-white start voting. Nationally, he’s in fourth and struggling to stay ahead of Mike Bloomberg. I happily voted for Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. But they were definitely both well known when they announced their campaigns. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/117 "2020-01-22T01:07:15Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > No, it’s actually not Trumpian at all. Or you could double down, that’s always an option. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/118 "2020-01-22T01:23:56Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Or you could double down, that’s always an option. It’s not doubling down; it’s fair comment. Elizabeth Warren clearly used her femininity as a line of attack against Bernie Sanders – she pretends that it’s off camera and off the mic and that it wasn’t a calculated decision to smear Sanders, just like she pretends now that it wasn’t a calculated decision to claim minority status and adding ‘diversity’ to Harvard’s campus when she was teaching law. If it makes you feel better, I have no problem exposing Bernie Sanders, who isn’t this completely apolitical saint that he likes to characterize himself as. Bernie’s as political an animal as any running in the race today; he’s just had ideas that were out of the mainstream nationally until recently and needed to wait until the electorate Balkanized to the point where he’s now more palatable to the average malcontent. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/119 "2020-01-22T01:27:21Z")
Okay. I won’t dignify this silliness any further. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/120 "2020-01-22T01:28:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Okay. I won’t dignify this silliness any further. Warren did lie about being Native American. What’s wrong with saying that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=7)