# Hillary tells it like it is about Bernie and his bros **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 21, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751 "2020-01-21T16:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/141 "2020-01-22T04:16:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I tend to agree. I think the country as a whole is moving to the left. > > It amazes me that the Republican Party doesn’t see that. Okay, I can accept that they’re not going to jump over to the left. But why aren’t they shifting back towards the center? > > Because they’re clearly not. Every Republican candidate insists on making it clear that he is not only a conservative but he’s the most conservative. > > The result has been that Republican candidates have lost the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections. Their base is disappearing and there’s a limit to how much you can cover for that with various shenanigans. I think republicans do see it, thats why they’ve been pushing for gerrymandering, voter suppression and encouraging the hacking of elections so hard. Plus as moderate leave the GOP (right now college educated whites are starting to leave the GOP and become swing voters) that means only the hardcore GOP voters who heavily subscribe to white identity politics are left. So if a GOP politician doesn’t support white identity politics they risk losing a primary. Also the demographic wave will not be evenly distributed. For the most part it just means urban areas and blue states become even more blue. The majority of states will still be red states as far as I can tell. So I’m guessing also the GOP isn’t worried about it for that reason too. Also I tend to think that is one reason the GOP is pushing extremely conservative judges for the appellate court, so they can overrule blue state initiatives. Maybe they’ll push for judges to rule Californias environment laws unconstitutional or Vermonts minimum wage unconstitutional. I think the GOP sees what is coming but hopes a mixture of cheating combined with corralling all the demographic changes into blue states means it won’t effect them. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/142 "2020-01-22T05:10:07Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Bill Clinton was well known? Not really. Maybe in the Arkansas area, but not in the North at all. > > Seriously, that is a very odd statement. Obama had a lot of buzz building off speeches he made. Bill Clinton was a Governor of a minor state. Clinton had made the speech at the previous convention and got raves for it. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/143 "2020-01-22T09:23:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, in this incredibly patriarchal culture in which women are regularly denigrated and relegated to inferior roles, much more rarely getting prestigious opportunities like directing major media productions, to demand a male director would be extremely bigoted and misogynistic. > > In this patriarchal and misogynistic society, demanding a female director is actually a very positive act. If more folks do this, maybe women will actually get the same opportunities that men get. You do realize this is 2020 not 1960 anymore? women have held top positions in all areas of society for years yet people like you always throw out the victim card. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/144 "2020-01-22T10:18:54Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You do realize this is 2020 not 1960 anymore? women have held top positions in all areas of society for years yet people like you always throw out the victim card. Representation at the top is still very far from fair and equal. We’ve made some progress but we have a long way to go, and the chief impediment to that progress is that so many folks think we’re all done with progress. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/145 "2020-01-22T11:06:31Z")
Hillary can bash Sanders all she wants but I know for a fact back in 2016 Sanders was holding rallies where it was standing room only to listen to him whereas for Hillary, hers didnt have near the crowds (the media was careful how they filmed them) and she needed paid celebrities like Beyonce to bring people in. There was a real excitement about Sanders even among conservatives and people really saw the opportunity for someone who would make some changes. Yes, I think Sanders would have beaten Trump. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/146 "2020-01-22T11:19:56Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > The more they call him sexist and racist the more people roll their eyes and want to vote for him more. Why not? The strategy brought home the bacon for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![phantom\_lamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@phantom\_lamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phantom_lamb)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/147 "2020-01-22T12:12:07Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > I am disturbed by the fact that Trump and many conservative pundits and strategists seem to want Sanders to get the nomination. Lots of democrats thought Trump getting the nomination in 2016 was a dream come true, if I recall correctly. So I’d take all this with a ton of salt - no one really knows what can and will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/148 "2020-01-22T12:12:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Representation at the top is still very far from fair and equal. We’ve made some progress but we have a long way to go, and the chief impediment to that progress is that so many folks think we’re all done with progress. Representation at the bottom is also very far from equal. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/149 "2020-01-22T14:06:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Clinton had made the speech at the previous convention and got raves for it. I remember vaguely he gave the opening speech and it was too long and not well received. Funny that. But in fairness, I was still a Repub way back then. Obama’s speech was raved about. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/150 "2020-01-22T14:59:52Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Hillary can bash Sanders all she wants but I know for a fact back in 2016 Sanders was holding rallies where it was standing room only to listen to him whereas for Hillary, hers didnt have near the crowds (the media was careful how they filmed them) and she needed paid celebrities like Beyonce to bring people in. But Clinton still won the nomination. All that proves is that the overlap between Clinton voters and Clinton supporters with the time/enthusiasm on their hands to stand around an event center is less than the overlap of Sanders voters and Sanders supporters with time/enthusiasm. But the overall group of Sanders supporters still proved to be considerably smaller than Clinton’s no matter how many event halls he filled. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/151 "2020-01-22T15:44:03Z")
Hillary calling someone else unlikeable. Haha! That’s rich! I honestly expect Bernie to get a small bump from this. I wonder when big guns Obama will step in. He did say behind closed doors he would if it looked like Bernie was gonna get the nom. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/152 "2020-01-22T15:50:38Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > But Clinton still won the nomination. All that proves is that the overlap between Clinton voters and Clinton supporters with the time/enthusiasm on their hands to stand around an event center is less than the overlap of Sanders voters and Sanders supporters with time/enthusiasm. But the overall group of Sanders supporters still proved to be considerably smaller than Clinton’s no matter how many event halls he filled. Clinton won the nomination because the DNC didnt allow any other dem candidates and the super delegate system shut out Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/153 "2020-01-22T16:02:26Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Clinton won the nomination because the DNC didnt allow any other dem candidates and the super delegate system shut out Sanders. Heh, sure. That and the extra 3.7mil votes Clinton got. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/154 "2020-01-22T16:07:57Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I remember vaguely he gave the opening speech and it was too long and not well received. Funny that. But in fairness, I was still a Repub way back then. > > Obama’s speech was raved about. Yup, in fact Clinton went on the late night talk circuit and handled the needling well. You know you have a bad and boring nomination speech for that thrilling orator Michael Dukakis!!! ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/155 "2020-01-22T16:11:31Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Clinton won the nomination because the DNC didnt allow any other dem candidates and the super delegate system shut out Sanders. Umm, no. The DNC didn’t control the number of candidates. O’Malley and Webb were around. Also, if you read the articles, it mentioned that Bernie’s colleagues in Congress hate his guts. Superdelegates are elected officials, not some bogeymen conjured up. In fact, Sanders himself was a superdelegate. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/156 "2020-01-22T16:17:03Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Clinton won the nomination because the DNC didnt allow any other dem candidates and the super delegate system shut out Sanders. Uh huh. And what exactly should compel the **Democratic** National Committee to support a candidate who never joined the Democratic party? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/157 "2020-01-22T16:37:23Z")
He didn’t say anything about compelled to support. He said the DNC didn’t allow other candidates. Which is wrong, so don’t respond as if it’s correct. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/158 "2020-01-22T17:02:19Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Clinton won the nomination because the DNC didnt allow any other dem candidates and the super delegate system shut out Sanders. Don’t forget Sanders arguing superdelegates should go against the democratically-selected nominee and support him instead, because reasons. But hey, it’s not like Bernie’s complaining about Democrats while simultaneously running as a Democrat and an Independent or anything… ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/159 "2020-01-22T17:04:20Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Hillary can bash Sanders all she wants but I know for a fact back in 2016 Sanders was holding rallies where it was standing room only to listen to him whereas for Hillary, hers didnt have near the crowds (the media was careful how they filmed them) and she needed paid celebrities like Beyonce to bring people in. > > There was a real excitement about Sanders even among conservatives and people really saw the opportunity for someone who would make some changes. > > Yes, I think Sanders would have beaten Trump. Ron Paul had big crowds in the GOP Primary in 2012. He came 4th for the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751/160 "2020-01-22T17:19:30Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Hillary can bash Sanders all she wants but I know for a fact back in 2016 Sanders was holding rallies where it was standing room only to listen to him whereas for Hillary, hers didnt have near the crowds (the media was careful how they filmed them) and she needed paid celebrities like Beyonce to bring people in. The crowd size argument? Oh Lord, spare me from the 4,703rd repetition of this long-debunked argument. Look, it’s really simple. You can get big, enthusiastic crowds if only 10% of the population supports you, but they support you very enthusiastically. Nobody’s ever demonstrated any correlation between getting big crowds and winning elections. > [@](#): > > There was a real excitement about Sanders even among conservatives and people really saw the opportunity for someone who would make some changes. Sanders has never demonstrated the _ability_ to make changes. > [@](#): > > Yes, I think Sanders would have beaten Trump. Neither the Trump people nor the Russians said anything negative about Sanders, for the simple reason they knew he’d be easy to beat in the unlikely event that he won the nomination. Beating Hillary took _work_ on their part, and even then it wouldn’t have worked if Comey has just shut the fuck up during the last two weeks of the campaign. Hell, **I** could have written an anti-Sanders ad campaign for the GOP, and that sort of thing isn’t exactly my forte. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-tells-it-like-it-is-about-bernie-and-his-bros/846751.md?page=9)