# Hillary's jacket **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 24, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862 "2014-04-24T13:34:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/21 "2014-04-25T15:16:02Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Women can’t win. When they do the “let’s just wear the same general thing,” like the old school Hilary pants suit, they get mocked. When they wear other things, they get mocked for being too sexy (Sarah Palin) or too frumpy. Or they are shallow if they are seen as paying too much attention to their appearances, but if they start looking older when they’re in the mid-60s, it’s an outrage that makes people uncomfortable. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/22 "2014-04-25T16:16:18Z")
Okay. To my eye, it looks like a couch cover and is so fantastically ugly and unflattering - on anyone, male or female, old or young, who’s not a standup comedian or a clown - that it goes far beyond any discussion of gender in politics or celebrity. if you want to write my comments off as sexist and gender-divided, feel free. However, I will probably still be seeing these photos and hoping for better when I punch the button next to her name in 18 or so months. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/23 "2014-04-25T16:29:06Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Okay. To my eye, it looks like a couch cover and is so fantastically ugly and unflattering - on anyone, male or female, old or young, who’s not a standup comedian or a clown - that it goes far beyond any discussion of gender in politics or celebrity. if you want to write my comments off as sexist and gender-divided, feel free. However, I will probably still be seeing these photos and hoping for better when I punch the button next to her name in 18 or so months. Fashion is a funny thing. What you think is ugly and unflattering, someone saleswoman at the store said made her look marvelous ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/24 "2014-04-25T16:36:48Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Fashion is a funny thing. What you think is ugly and unflattering, someone saleswoman at the store said made her look marvelous Which is another enormous kettle of worms altogether. 😃 Insert ObJoke about the Empress’s New Clothes. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/25 "2014-04-26T04:39:44Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Fashion is a funny thing. What you think is ugly and unflattering, someone saleswoman at the store said made her look marvelous And you know, dahling, it’s more important to _look_ marvelous than to _feel_ marvelous. ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/26 "2014-04-26T05:47:45Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Seems like misogynists never fail to fall for this trick. Over and over. She wears fugly outfit, thereby generating, yet again, the conversation about how male politicians are never publicly judged over such nonsense. Of course they are. Male politicians have a much stricter dress code than women. Dark suit, light shirt, tie. Want to express yourself? Okay maybe simple pattern on the tie. Stripes or something, but don’t over do it. I remember when Obama decided to forgo tie part of the standard “suit and tie” a few times some jackal on Fox News thought it needed to be pointed out that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wore a similar look. Remember when Mitt Romney tried to look more like the common man by dressing down on the campaign trail? But he didn’t get it quite right and was walking around in “mom jeans”. I’m sure if John Boehner or some body comes on TV tomorrow in a suit with some obnoxious plaid pattern on it, yes he will be publicly judged. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/27 "2014-04-26T11:29:49Z")
But men don’t have any mystery about what to wear. Wear a suit and nobody will ever notice what you are wearing. That’s all the thinking you need to do. Obama makes it even easier by only wearing black or grey suits. If we go with a similar uniform, we get made fun of, like Hilary did with her pants suit. And for some reason, the dark suit is out of favor for high powered female politicians, so they have the bizarre world of colored suits to deal with. Not to mention the conundrum of formal events, where guys wear tuxes and look dressed up and professional, while ladies have no equivalent and are expected to wear red carpet Hollywood looks. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/28 "2014-04-26T11:44:35Z")
> [@Isilder](#): > > A Grandmother’s jacket … About 6 more months and all literally all of her clothes will be Grandmother’s clothes whether she wants them to be or not. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862/29 "2014-04-26T17:55:13Z")
She may have gone to a ball game after the lecture . . . as the catcher. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-jacket/686862.md?page=1)