# Hillary's lead over Sanders "nearly vanishes". **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 11, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833 "2016-01-11T17:48:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/41 "2016-01-13T01:30:32Z")
It’s not an untruth. He does want to get rid of Obamacare. He’s pushing for single payer. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/42 "2016-01-13T01:39:58Z")
I see a Bernie Sanders victory kind of like how I see free will: it’s really really unlikely, but acting like it’s a thing makes for a better world. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/43 "2016-01-13T01:55:18Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > What is uniquely desirable (and this is said as someone who doesn’t even strongly support her) is her ability to drive the GOP insane. So you are saying that the GOP has been sane during the Obama administration, and would become insane during a Hilary Clinton administration? I don’t like to accuse political opponents of insanity. But if the GOP is susceptible of insanity, having a young dynamic conservative Republican defeated by an elderly socialist who, until last year, wasn’t even a member of a major party, would really make it seen like the liberal message had won. That sounds pretty upsetting to me. Yea, I’m assuming that Trump can’t win because his party is against him. Of course, by that logic . . . ---
**Author:** ![race\_to\_the\_bottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@race\_to\_the\_bottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/race_to_the_bottom)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/44 "2016-01-13T04:36:27Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Agreed on all counts. However, the stronger the showing Sanders makes in the primaries, the better his chance at the VP slot (assuming he even wants it). And a Clinton-Sanders ticket would be unbeatable. There is no way in Hell that Bernie Sanders would Veep for Clinton. He will support her in the November election, but if he doesn’t get the nomination, he plans to work to build the Political Revolution. This is what his supporters expect. ---
**Author:** ![race\_to\_the\_bottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@race\_to\_the\_bottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/race_to_the_bottom)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/45 "2016-01-13T04:59:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Chelsea’s out there saying that Bernie Sanders “wants to dismantle Obamacare, CHIP, and Medicare” > > [Chelsea Clinton takes aim at Sanders over health](http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/chelsea-clinton-takes-aim-sanders-over-health) > > I see the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree when it comes to easily spouting untruths. Chelsea Clinton is off to a fine start in politics. Unfortunately, this brand of politics has just about run its course since it has run the country into the ground. ---
**Author:** ![race\_to\_the\_bottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@race\_to\_the\_bottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/race_to_the_bottom)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/46 "2016-01-13T05:05:49Z")
Politics is dynamic. Bernie Sanders is on a roll. He has loyal, committed, enthusiastic troops. And money. I predict he wins Iowa and NH, and that will affect other states. If Hillary is depending on the Black vote to save her, she could be seriously mistaken. Black people dumped her before; they could do it again. It is possible that the bottom could fall out of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, since there is no real fire there anyway. Also, note that Joe Biden had some good things to say about Bernie Sanders the other day and more or less labeled Hillary Clinton a come lately. Joe Biden knows both these people very well. > **[Biden praises Sanders on income inequality, calls Clinton 'relatively new' to...](https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-income-inequality/)** > > Vice President Joe Biden offered effusive praise for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders Monday, lauding Hillary Clinton's chief rival for doing a "heck of a job" on the campaign trail and praising Sanders for offering an authentic... ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/47 "2016-01-13T05:11:49Z")
Doe Joe Biden regret not running? I assume he thought Clinton had the nomination locked up–and suddenly the situation is more fluid. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/48 "2016-01-13T05:53:51Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Honestly, do you Dems really want to put up with another 4 years of this crap? All of us Dems know we will have to put up with “this crap” regardless of who the Dem is that gets elected. The GOP of today is such a bunch of sore losers that any Democrat who wins will be lied about, dragged through the mud and endlessly investigated from Day One in an effort to distract the American people from the fact the GOP is devoid of ideas that benefit the working and middle classes. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/49 "2016-01-13T08:15:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She may drive us insane, but she’s still a Clinton. We can do business with Clinton. Last time we cut the federal workforce, cut welfare, cut overall spending, made free trade agreements, and deregulated several major industries. Heck, we even got him to agree to sell gays down the river! > > And that was a skilled politician. Imagine what we can do with the less skilled Clinton. Don’t forget, you were ALSO able to get the previous Clinton to sign the legislation that put an end to Glass-Steagall, paving the way for the Great Recession! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/50 "2016-01-13T08:20:09Z")
All you “smart” Democrats who’ve been saying that Hillary Clinton was the only electable Democratic candidate are not looking very smart right now. In fact … you look like you’re #FeelingtheBern! ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/51 "2016-01-13T08:24:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She may drive us insane, but she’s still a Clinton. We can do business with Clinton. Last time we cut the federal workforce, cut welfare, cut overall spending, made free trade agreements, and deregulated several major industries. Heck, we even got him to agree to sell gays down the river! > > And that was a skilled politician. Imagine what we can do with the less skilled Clinton. We shall not be cucked again. The Democrats now are far more redpilled and the beta Third Way/Blue Dog losers have been fortunately marginalized. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/52 "2016-01-13T08:55:39Z")
I don’t want a weak Democrat with watered-down Republicanish policies who will give them half of what they want and get nothing in return. I don’t want a politician who spends all their time lying and stalling like a Republican just to keep up with the Republicans. I want one that has principles, still gets legislation passed, and doesn’t run lie-fest campaigns. It’s Bernie, period. Bernie or bust. And the Clinton-is-inevitable people better get on board when reality strikes and Clinton-isn’t-inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/53 "2016-01-13T10:50:22Z")
I guess Bernie is relying on unions and grassroots for money? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/54 "2016-01-13T11:36:27Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > We shall not be cucked again. The Democrats now are far more redpilled and the beta Third Way/Blue Dog losers have been fortunately marginalized. There aren’t enough Democrats to make a difference. If Clinton and the REpublicans agree on something, it’s a done deal. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/55 "2016-01-13T14:09:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She may drive us insane, but she’s still a Clinton. We can do business with Clinton. Last time we cut the federal workforce, cut welfare, cut overall spending, made free trade agreements, and deregulated several major industries. **Heck, we even got him to agree to sell gays down the river!** > > And that was a skilled politician. Imagine what we can do with the less skilled Clinton. (bolding mine) Imagine all the minorities and Americans you could harm and discriminate against! And imagine in the future how much you’ll be able to crow with glee about all these people you’ve hurt! It’s great fun hurting Americans, and then gloating about it, right? Yay! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/56 "2016-01-13T14:16:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > (bolding mine) > > Imagine all the minorities and Americans you could harm and discriminate against! And imagine in the future how much you’ll be able to crow with glee about all these people you’ve hurt! It’s great fun hurting Americans, and then gloating about it, right? Yay! Future GEICO commercial: If you’re a Republican, you gloat about hurting people. It’s what you do. If you want to save on insurance…" Instead of cooperating with Republicans on hurting the poor, crippling unions, making it harder to vote, etc., how about standing up for the principles that make the Democratic Party great? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/57 "2016-01-13T15:01:31Z")
Predictwise numbers are moving fast; both Trump and Sanders are moving up. Trump is now tied with Rubio (13%) as 2nd-most likely to be next POTUS. Sanders is now shown as 16% to be nominated and, at 8%, more likely than Cruz to be next POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/58 "2016-01-13T15:13:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > (bolding mine) > > Imagine all the minorities and Americans you could harm and discriminate against! And imagine in the future how much you’ll be able to crow with glee about all these people you’ve hurt! It’s great fun hurting Americans, and then gloating about it, right? Yay! I don’t know if it’s fun, but it’s certainly less depressing than voting for people you KNOW are going to sell people down the river if it gives them a political advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Jayhawker\_Soule](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@Jayhawker\_Soule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jayhawker_Soule)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/59 "2016-01-13T15:19:08Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > Even though Hillary has massive weaknesses–total lack of charisma, … Seriously? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jayhawker\_Soule](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@Jayhawker\_Soule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jayhawker_Soule)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833/60 "2016-01-13T15:22:04Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Predictwise numbers are moving fast; both Trump and Sanders are moving up. Thank you for your reference to Predictwise. I was unaware of the site. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillarys-lead-over-sanders-nearly-vanishes/742833.md?page=4)