# Hil's too sexy for this pic, Sec of State's gonna leave me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2011, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255 "2011-05-09T11:03:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/21 "2011-05-09T14:58:23Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Hey! She is one hot babe. > > Except for her ankles. > > And her legs in general. > > Actually her entire body is pretty gross. Either women are treated like invisibilities or they’re rated like pieces of meat. I find this post almost as annoying at the subject of this pitting. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/22 "2011-05-09T14:59:21Z")
I saw the before picture and started masturbating like a motherfuck, but then I saw the after picture went straight to temple. Hey, I guess it worked. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/23 "2011-05-09T15:08:31Z")
These guys must be rapists living on a hair trigger. Anything can set them off. They would have to live in blindfolds to not see even more evocative and sexy photos every hour or so. It does not say anything about Hillary and her clothes. It says a lot about the weird men though. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/24 "2011-05-09T15:13:48Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I saw the before picture and started masturbating like a motherfuck, but then I saw the after picture went\*\* straight to temple.\*\* > > Hey, I guess it worked. Is that what kids are calling it these days? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/25 "2011-05-09T15:15:46Z")
I want to know how that Air Force dude got the big chair? Is that Obama sitting beside him on a stool? ---
**Author:** ![Floater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dc4da7/32.png) [@Floater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floater)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/26 "2011-05-09T16:38:55Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I hope no money was exchanged for that piece of hot mess masquerading as a photo. Why is that? They should be forced to pay a huge amount of money for defacing someone’s copyrighted photo. ---
**Author:** ![freckafree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freckafree/32/3050_2.png) [@freckafree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/freckafree)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/27 "2011-05-09T17:34:31Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Actually, the problem was that they were all wearing [this](http://www.rickey.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Princess-beatrice-hat-obama-war-room.jpg). Removing the women entirely was to save them from fashion embarrassment. You owe me a new keyboard for that one, you do. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/28 "2011-05-09T17:40:39Z")
We’ve come a long way, baby. Obviously we aren’t there yet, though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/29 "2011-05-09T18:17:42Z")
It is well that they have no internet access, they might stumble upon the Dope and be exposed to our Doper _chiquitas_, who incarnate all the grace, allure, and sensuality of the Goddess. Clipped penis would ensue. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/30 "2011-05-09T18:35:23Z")
I wonder what they’ll do for the picture of the inauguration of the first female President. Photoshop in a beard and one of those brimmed hats, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/31 "2011-05-09T18:37:08Z")
At least they didn’t photoshopped Biden’s eyes being closed. Hmm…but maybe the original was photoshopped to make him look awake! ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/32 "2011-05-09T18:40:58Z")
There are some newspapers and magazines in the more right-wing sectors of Orthodox Judaism that don’t print pictures of women at all. Personally, I don’t agree, but hey, they aren’t my magazines and newspapers. If you don’t like it, don’t purchase them. That being said, I think what Der Tzitung did in this case was dead wrong. You don’t get to alter photographs and call yourself a newspaper (with the journalistic standards that the term implies). There’s no rule that they had to publish the picture, but if they are going to do so, they had absolutely no business altering it at all. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/33 "2011-05-09T18:59:02Z")
Guess who [else](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov#Fall_from_power) Photoshops the undesirables away from pictures? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/34 "2011-05-09T19:11:05Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Actually, the problem was that they were all wearing [this](http://www.rickey.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Princess-beatrice-hat-obama-war-room.jpg). Removing the women entirely was to save them from fashion embarrassment. That really did make me laugh out loud. The sublime ridiculousness of it… ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/35 "2011-05-09T19:51:31Z")
Sexual perversion is…the people are totally backwards and living in a fantasy world. Actually, they are literally trying to live in the past; they have organized their religious structure around the remnants of a bunch of villages and ghettos in Eastern Europe. I’ll never understand them. If you’re going to be that much into the Jewish faith, why not just move to Israel and live in the desert? Why do they deliberately ghetto-ize themselves into little enclaves in the city? To their credit, they’re one backwards religious group that is able to master things like technology and computers. That’s more than can be said for the majority of people with that kind of insular community. They at least arguably create something of value to society because most of them, I think, work “normal” jobs in the business sector when they’re not studying Torah. The Amish have better food, though, and are more stylish. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/36 "2011-05-09T19:53:37Z")
So, while the ladies are busy helping to kill some violent fundamentalist dickheads, some other non-violent fundamentalist dickheads are playing with photohop. As long as this keeps up, the fundamentalist dickhead propensity-to-violence ratio goes in the right direction. Trying to find the bright side here… ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/37 "2011-05-09T20:32:31Z")
The newspaper has [apologized](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/hillary-clinton-audrey-tomason-go-missing-in-situation-room-photo-in-der-tzitung-newspaper/2011/05/09/AFfJbVYG_blog.html) for altering the photo, but mainly because the photo editor failed to read the conditions of use, which stated that the image could only be used if it was not altered or manipulated: > [@](#): > > The White House released a picture showing the President following “live” the events in the apprehension of Osama Bin Laden, last week Sunday. Also present in the Situation Room were various high-ranking government and military officials. Our photo editor realized the significance of this historic moment, and published the picture, but in his haste he did not read the “fine print” that accompanied the picture, forbidding any changes. We should not have published the altered picture, and we have conveyed our regrets and apologies to the White House and to the State Department. On the more general issue of gender: > [@](#): > > The allegations that religious Jews denigrate women or do not respect women in public office, is a malicious slander and libel. The current Secretary of State, the Honorable Hillary R. Clinton, was a Senator representing New York State with great distinction 8 years. She won overwhelming majorities in the Orthodox Jewish communities in her initial campaign in '00, and when she was re-elected in '06, because the religious community appreciated her unique capabilities and compassion to all communities. The Jewish religion does not allow for discrimination based on gender, race, etc. > > \ > > Publishing a newspaper is a big responsibility, and our policies are guided by a Rabbinical Board. Because of laws of modesty, we are not allowed to publish pictures of women, and we regret if this gives an impression of disparaging to women, which is certainly never our intention. We apologize if this was seen as offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/38 "2011-05-09T20:45:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Actually, the problem was that they were all wearing [this](http://www.rickey.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Princess-beatrice-hat-obama-war-room.jpg). Removing the women entirely was to save them from fashion embarrassment. Your link no longer works. Since it was to a picture entitled “Princess-beatrice-hat-obama-war-room.jpg”, this is probably God’s work. ETA: …aaaand, now it works again. I always knew Cthulhu could pwn God any day. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/39 "2011-05-09T20:45:40Z")
> [@](#): > > The allegations that religious Jews denigrate women or do not respect women in public office, is a malicious slander and libel. The current Secretary of State, the Honorable Hillary R. Clinton, was a Senator representing New York State with great distinction 8 years. She won overwhelming majorities in the Orthodox Jewish communities in her initial campaign in '00, and when she was re-elected in '06, because the religious community appreciated her unique capabilities and compassion to all communities. The Jewish religion does not allow for discrimination based on gender, race, etc. > > \ > > Publishing a newspaper is a big responsibility, and our policies are guided by a Rabbinical Board. Because of laws of modesty, we are not allowed to publish pictures of women, and we regret if this gives an impression of disparaging to women, which is certainly never our intention. We apologize if this was seen as offensive. Then you either find a picture that doesn’t have the women, blot out the women and don’t use a fucking picture. You do NOT erase the women as if they did not exist. Also, that was not an apology for what I’m pitting the newspaper for. The “We love Hillary, we just felt it necessary to erase her presence from this seminal scene because she’s so immodest” IS denigration. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/40 "2011-05-09T20:55:26Z")
Can someone explain to me how this immodesty thing works? Is it that men get turned on by pictures of all women, e.g., [this one](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golda_Meir)\* (who looks to me like the quintessential grandmother, and not sexy at all)? And, conversely, are women never turned on by pictures of men? - And what did Hasidic Jewish newspapers do 1969-1974? Print empty spaces above a caption saying “Prime Minister of Israel”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255.md?page=3)