# Hil's too sexy for this pic, Sec of State's gonna leave me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2011, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255 "2011-05-09T11:03:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/121 "2011-05-10T15:57:04Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > The paper has a longstanding policy to not print images of women (and yes, many many of these Haredi papers will blot out women in current events photos) and they don’t apologize for it. Then if they must adhere to this (idiotic and primitive) policy, they should at least have the integrity to just not run pictures with women in them. Do you not get it? By editing the photos, **they are lying**. They are being **dishonest**. This is not a trait worth defending. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/122 "2011-05-10T15:58:32Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Do you not get it? By editing the photos, **they are lying**. They are being **dishonest**. This is not a trait worth defending. Maybe Clinton and Tomason were there and maybe they weren’t. Let’s be respectful of their beliefs and teach the controversy. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/123 "2011-05-10T16:07:50Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Well, his name’s Jason. Seriously, though, he is a Conservative Rabbi. He got his smicha from Jewish Theological Seminary (which is THE big Conservative seminary), and pretty much everything he’s done has been with Conservative congregations and organizations. He’s also founder of Kosher Michigan, which is a kosher certification agency. I don’t see anything to suggest he’s Reconstructionist at all. Just because you get a simcha from JTS doesn’t mean you’re a capital C Conservative Rabbi. He’s the founder of Kosher Michigan, yes, but they aim at creating an non-Orthodox kosher and one that’s [not controlled by the Orthodox kashrut groups](http://www.jasonamiller.com/speaking.htm). So if I were in Detroit and I wanted to eat kosher, I’d look at a restaurant and see it “Certified Kosher under the Supervision of blablah”, right? I’d automatically assume (and rightfully so, considering) that the organization was Orthodox. It isn’t. That in itself is misleading. I have no problems with Conservative rabbis joining the Kashrut business (because it _is_ a business) but I’d expect them to disclose their differences. Again, if I go to his blog and see his comments about Conservative Judaism, I’d think, oh, his congregation is part of the [USCJ](http://www.uscj.org/index1.html). His opinions are probably in line with theirs. Except…he’s the ‘spiritual advisor’ for a [Reconstructionist congregation](http://tchiyah.org/). That’s a faaarrrr cry from the USCJ. And then he wants to lecture other Jews about being deceiving? :dubious: arguably, if you’re observing, you’re going to know which labels to accept, but not all do b/c they’re new at it or bringing a plate to an event or something…anyway…i \<3 lobster. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/124 "2011-05-10T16:09:16Z")
> [@SecondJudith](#): > > To be fair, I do think there has been a fair bit of misrepresentation/misunderstanding about tzunit: it isn’t just the Haredi version of a burqa (and burqa can be feminist too, or course). > > I can’t find the newspaper’s circulation on the US ABC site, but I have to confess I don’t know how those figures are collected. It might be too small to be listed. 20,000 according to the CNN tidbit. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/125 "2011-05-10T16:09:27Z")
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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/126 "2011-05-10T16:09:44Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > And then he wants to lecture other Jews about being deceiving? :dubious: I don’t give a flying fuck about this part of the discussion, but taking Clinton and Tomason out of the photo is unquestionably deceptive. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/127 "2011-05-10T16:18:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t give a flying fuck about this part of the discussion, but taking Clinton and Tomason out of the photo is unquestionably deceptive. Like I care about how you feel regarding this part of the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/128 "2011-05-10T16:20:11Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Like I care about how you feel regarding this part of the discussion. Based on most of what you’ve posted here, I’m not sure you care how anybody feels about any part of the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/129 "2011-05-10T16:20:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > A lot of who? Men? Hasidic Jews? Rapists? Strippers? Who’s the “them” refer to in your post? The followers and readers of the Hasidic News. Who else? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/130 "2011-05-10T16:25:19Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The followers and readers of the Hasidic News. Who else? The paper is called Di Tzeitung (means “The Newspaper”), not The Hasidic News. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/131 "2011-05-10T16:25:22Z")
Meh. They have the freedom to follow the tenets of their peculiar brand of Judaism. We have the freedom to call them misogynistic assholes. But is there really much point? Of course they believe women have no place outside the home. That’s who they are. It’s kinda like pitting the KKK for racism. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/132 "2011-05-10T16:35:29Z")
Eh - journalism school - Judaism school – it’s only a matter of which box to check on the matchbook cover. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/133 "2011-05-10T16:41:58Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Meh. > > They have the freedom to follow the tenets of their peculiar brand of Judaism. We have the freedom to call them misogynistic assholes. But is there really much point? Of course they believe women have no place outside the home. That’s who they are. > > It’s kinda like pitting the KKK for racism. But they should be consistent in following the tenets of their religion. If their religion values modesty in women, and the photo has women in it - but the religion also values truth and specifically truth in knowledge - which several posters have said it does, than they have a responsibility to both those tenets. Don’t run the photo at all…run the photo, but blur the women and put a caption that identifies the women and the reason they are blurred… ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/134 "2011-05-10T16:44:28Z")
They can coin a name for the blurring policy – “batshit blurring”. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/135 "2011-05-10T16:47:26Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > It’s kinda like pitting the KKK for racism. Few threads criticizing the KKK have actual Klansmen or their sympathizers showing up to lend moral support. (On this board, anyway.) But you are correct, it is kinda like pitting the KKK for racism: necessary, completely justified, and personally satisfying. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/136 "2011-05-10T16:47:27Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Except…he’s the ‘spiritual advisor’ for a [Reconstructionist congregation](http://tchiyah.org/). That’s a faaarrrr cry from the USCJ. > > And then he wants to lecture other Jews about being deceiving? :dubious: And he was the Rabbi of a Conservative synagogue until recently. Sometimes you find work where you can get it. And what’s wrong with a Conservative Koshering agency? It’s a way you can make sure food is kosher without all the bullshit that a lot of the Orthodox agencies pull. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/137 "2011-05-10T16:56:53Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > He’s the founder of Kosher Michigan, yes, but they aim at creating an non-Orthodox kosher and one that’s [not controlled by the Orthodox kashrut groups](http://www.jasonamiller.com/speaking.htm). So if I were in Detroit and I wanted to eat kosher, I’d look at a restaurant and see it “Certified Kosher under the Supervision of blablah”, right? I’d automatically assume (and rightfully so, considering) that the organization was Orthodox. It isn’t. That in itself is misleading. “Considering” what, exactly? “Considering” that you assume that only Orthodox Jews care about kashruth, or “considering” that you believe that the Orthodox understanding of kashruth (which you don’t observe, yourself)\* is the only one that matters? > [@](#): > > I have no problems with Conservative rabbis joining the Kashrut business (because it _is_ a business) but I’d expect them to disclose their differences. If the sign says “Certified Kosher under the Supervision of blahblah,” it _would be_ disclosing the difference. That’s the whole point of the sigh. I’ve been to establishments where the menu clearly states that the meat in product X is kosher according to a Lubavitch rabbi and the meat in product Y is kosher according to a Satmar rabbi, with no further explanation of the details. People who care about the distinction already know the details. \*I’m reminded of the joke about “The _shul_ I don’t go to is Orthodox.” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/138 "2011-05-10T17:04:38Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Meh. > > They have the freedom to follow the tenets of their peculiar brand of Judaism. We have the freedom to call them misogynistic assholes. But is there really much point? Of course they believe women have no place outside the home. That’s who they are. > > It’s kinda like pitting the KKK for racism. I know the KKK are racists. I didn’t know there was a sect of Judaism that was completely fucking insane; though I knew Orthodox Jews were a bit less enlightened vis-a-vis the role of women, I didn’t understand the scope of the problem. Hell, the relative lack of stupid dogma is one of my favorite things about Judaism. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/139 "2011-05-10T17:14:41Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > wtf. > > This thread has gone from ‘Orthodox Jew’ bashing to ‘let’s make fun of how some powerful women look’. > > Pot, kettle? Actually, it would appear that it’s become all about _you_, for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255/140 "2011-05-10T17:17:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Hell, the relative lack of stupid dogma is one of my favorite things about Judaism. Trust me, there’s as much stupid dogma in Judaism as there is in Christianity and Islam. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hils-too-sexy-for-this-pic-sec-of-states-gonna-leave-me/581255.md?page=8)