# Hip Hop Fans: Help me spend my tax return **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 26, 2003, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193 "2003-03-26T02:49:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/1 "2003-03-26T02:49:53Z")
Lately, I have been getting seriously into hip hop. I want to branch out and acquire the really seminal albums and what’s currently considered excellent. I’m not interested in the MC Hammers and Sir Mix-a-lots: I want the intense stuff, and I’m not easily offended. What I already have is: all the stuff by The Beastie Boys, Eminem, and Public Enemy, plus 50 Cent’s album. Please recommend 5 albums that you think I should have in order to be a true and up-to-date hip hop fan. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/2 "2003-03-26T03:20:36Z")
2Pac and Run DMC: everything you can get your hands on. The early Snoop/Dre stuff, Doggystyle in particular Outkast: ATLiens and Aquemini to start with. I’m personally not a big fan but Notorious B.I.G. was pretty influential, Jay Z too. Going back even further, Eric B. and Rakim - Follow the Leader De La Soul 3 Feet High and Rising Man there’s alot more, hip-hop has become pretty diverse. I’d recommend getting a couple compilations… The Source produced a bunch called Hip-Hop Hits, there’s like ten of them by now, and they all featured the top 12 or so songs from a two year period. I’d also look for other compilations with names like “Old School” and stuff… That way you can hear stuff from all the artists and you’ll know which ones you like enough to buy the whole album. You cover more ground that way. I kind of envy you honestly… I wish I could go back and re-listen to all my favorite stuff for the first time. There’s a ridiculous amount of rap out there, and most of it is crap. There’s a whole bunch of good stuff too, though, and you won’t have to wait for years for good new albums to come out- catching up on the last twenty years of hip-hop should keep you busy for a long long time. And for good measure, here’s [a more extensive list of really good stuff.](http://www.rocklist.net/source.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/db5fbb/32.png) [@Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/3 "2003-03-26T03:24:19Z")
I’d rather recommend groups/artists than individual albums, so here’s five for you: The Roots Dilated Peoples K-os De La Soul Blackalicious I also recommend you pick up anything done by Timbaland or the Neptunes (This includes Justin Timberlake’s album), but that’s only if you go for that kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![ProjectOmega](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b487fb/32.png) [@ProjectOmega](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ProjectOmega)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/4 "2003-03-26T03:35:12Z")
Buy yourself some taste in music. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/5 "2003-03-26T03:41:23Z")
I definitely don’t go in for Justin Timberlake. I’m interested in the edgier stuff. From all accounts, De La Soul is great. I’m on it. **Jimmy** : Thanks for the link. I notice Missy Elliot isn’t on it. What do you think of her? Any good? From what I’ve seen of her on MTV, she has a good sound. Any other female rappers who are worthwhile? I kinda have a problem with Dr. Dre because I lived across the street from a crack house and they blasted The Chronic morning, noon, and night. Even when I hear that Casiotone sound on Eminem’s “The Real Slim Shady,” I get shivers of nausea. Is it worth getting past this negative association? ---
**Author:** ![Blackhawkeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c4cdca/32.png) [@Blackhawkeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackhawkeye)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/6 "2003-03-26T04:46:51Z")
UNDISPUTED CLASSICS: 36 Chambers - Wu-Tang Clan Straight Outta Compton - NWA The Chronic - Dr. Dre Endtroducing… - DJ Shadow Paid in Full - Eric B. and Rakim Funcrusher Plus - Company Flow It Takes a Nation of Millions… - Public Enemy Illmatic - Nas MUST-HAVES: 3 Feet High and Rising - De La Soul De La Soul is Dead - De La Soul Doggystlyle - Snoop Doggy Dogg The Cold Vein - Cannibal Ox Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Blackstar Things Fall Apart - The Roots Resurrection - Common Sense Liquid Swords - GZA Only Built for Cuban Linx - Raekwon The Low-End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest Midnight Marauders - A Tribe Called Quest By any Means Necesarry - Boogie Down Productions Operation: Doomsday - MF Doom Black Bastards - KMD ATLiens - Outkast Aquemini - Outkast There’s lots more, but this is a start, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![peepthis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9d8465/32.png) [@peepthis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peepthis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/7 "2003-03-26T11:39:53Z")
Here’s [a thread on the exact same topic from just last week](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171449) looking for hiphop recommendations, in which I give my top 6 or 7 suggestions. Nobody here has yet suggested Tupac, which would be a must-have. ---
**Author:** ![gex\_gex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/94ad74/32.png) [@gex\_gex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gex_gex)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/8 "2003-03-26T15:14:58Z")
> [@](#): > > _originally posted by Rubystreak_ > Jimmy: Thanks for the link. I notice Missy Elliot isn’t on it. What do you think of her? Any good? From what I’ve seen of her on MTV, she has a good sound. Any other female rappers who are worthwhile? Missy is a lot of fun. I don’t rate her as being one of the greats, but as far as mainstream MTV hip-hop goes, she’s got some damn cool songs. I’d buy it you’re after a party disc. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/9 "2003-03-26T17:20:46Z")
Albums not mentioned yet, but well worth owning: **Quality Control** - Jurassic 5 **Reachin’ (A Refutation of Time and Space)** - The Digable Planets \*\*Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde[b/] - The Pharcyde **Criminal Minded** - Boogie Down Productions **Original Pirate Material** - The Streets OK, the last one may not quite be accurately classified as hip-hop, but it straddles genres, and is pretty damn cool, so I’ll include it. If you like the more aggressive forms of rap, then I strongly suggest checking out the Boogie Down Productions records - I would definitely call it a seminal record in hip-hop. ---
**Author:** ![Auntie\_Social](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d2c977/32.png) [@Auntie\_Social](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Auntie_Social)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/10 "2003-03-26T18:52:42Z")
I would second Blackhawkeye’s list of undisputed classics as the place to start – though I’d add Tribe Called Quest’s “Low End Theory” and BDP’s “Criminal Minded” to the list. And if the G-funk gangsta sound doesn’t turn your crank, I wouldn’t hesitate to skip Dre and NWA – there’s too much good stuff out there to waste time on stuff you already know you don’t like. Gangsta rap is pretty played out, IMHO, despite its continued prevalence. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/11 "2003-03-26T18:56:39Z")
I can’t beleive that no one has mentioned Eazy-E. Get his stuff if you can find it, especially his “It’s on (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa” album. ---
**Author:** ![cainxinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7bcc69/32.png) [@cainxinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cainxinth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/12 "2003-03-26T19:03:38Z")
what **Blackhawkeye** said. ---
**Author:** ![cainxinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7bcc69/32.png) [@cainxinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cainxinth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/13 "2003-03-26T21:06:40Z")
howeva… Once you’re down with the past, you can meet the future. Bahamadia- Kollage Coup, The- Party Music Cut Chemist- Brain Freeze D12- Devil’s Night Dan the Automator- Handsome Boy Modeling School Deltron 3030- Deltron 3030 Jedi Mind Tricks- Violent by Design Ozomotli- Embrace the Chaos Peanut Butter Wolf- My Vinyl Weighs a Ton Q-Bert- Wave Twisters Solesides- Solesides Greatest Bumps If you are looking through albums at a record store or online and you see anything by the labels, 75 Ark, Quannum Projects, Def Jux, Rawkus, Stones Throw, Ground Control, Anticon, Rhymesayers, or Living Legends it’s probally worth a listen. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/14 "2003-03-26T22:23:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rubystreak \* > \*\* > I kinda have a problem with Dr. Dre because I lived across the street from a crack house and they blasted The Chronic morning, noon, and night. Even when I hear that Casiotone sound on Eminem’s “The Real Slim Shady,” I get shivers of nausea. Is it worth getting past this negative association? \*\* Probably not, but mostly what I meant is the Snoop stuff from before Death Row broke up and he was still with Dre. Anything from when he was still Snoop Doggy Dogg in other words. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/15 "2003-03-26T23:16:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cainxinth \* > \*\*Deltron 3030- Deltron 3030 > Jedi Mind Tricks- Violent by Design > Solesides- Solesides Greatest Bumps > \*\* Have I mentioned lately that you should always listen to **cainxinth** when he (she?) gives suggestions for hip-hop? ---
**Author:** ![cainxinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7bcc69/32.png) [@cainxinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cainxinth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/16 "2003-03-27T01:58:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mouthbreather \* > \*\*Have I mentioned lately that you should always listen to **cainxinth** when he (she?) gives suggestions for hip-hop? \*\* That would be a definite he. I also have good tips for your home and garden as well as extreme body modification if anyone is interested. Here’s a freebie, mirrors make rooms look bigger, and never get a Prince Albert done in Mexico… they just don’t have the regulations. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8797f3/32.png) [@The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Universe_Lashes_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/17 "2003-03-27T02:22:33Z")
If you want five. go get these: Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow Talib Kweli - Quality OutKast - Stankonia Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill J-Live - All Of The Above Oh yeah, and just about everything else that’s been mentioned ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/18 "2003-03-27T13:34:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cainxinth \* > \*\*That would be a definite he. > > I also have good tips for your home and garden as well as extreme body modification if anyone is interested. Here’s a freebie, mirrors make rooms look bigger, and never get a Prince Albert done in Mexico… they just don’t have the regulations. 😃 \*\* I DO very often use mirrors to make my penis look bigger. I have a funhouse of mirrors set up in my bedroom so that when any ladies finally get a look at me, there appears to be about 40 or 50 of them (I’m shooting for the whole strength in numbers idea). Also I like to laugh maniacally when I first pull it out. What can I say–I’m a romantic. Um…Yeah. back to hiphop. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/19 "2003-03-27T15:43:29Z")
First, I don’t think there are just 5 albums you need in order to be a “true and up-to-date” hip-hop fan. Plus, there’s all sorts of different groups and styles and 25 years of history and influential albums. The only one that I would consider a “must have” that hasn’t been mentioned yet would be Jay-Z’s **Reasonable Doubt** album. It’s really good and Jay-Z’s best work by far. Anyway, are you looking to get a good grasp of the history and developments in hip-hop, or are you looking for the really cool and exciting things going on right now? These are the albums you should probably have that it looks like you don’t have yet: **The Chronic** - Dre. **The Great Adventures of Slick Rick** - Slick Rick **Straight Outta Compton** - NWA **Critical Beatdown** - Ultramagnetic MCs **3 Feet High and Rising** - De La Soul And these are the non-classic (yet) albums I really enjoy that you may want to look at: **Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik** - Outkast (OK, really anything by Outkast) **Reasonable Doubt** - Jay-Z (his best album by far) **The Score** - Fugees **Like Water for Chocolate** - Common **Do You Want More** - The Roots **Quality Control** - Jurassic 5 **Reachin’** - Digable Planets **Back for the First Time** - Ludacris (It’s got some pretty funny songs and it makes me laugh) ---
**Author:** ![Amok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@Amok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amok)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193/20 "2003-03-27T16:21:58Z")
While Digable Planets’ **Reachin’** is good, I’ve always like their second album, **Blowout Comb** , more. It seems to be pretty much forgotten, so I figured I’d mention it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hip-hop-fans-help-me-spend-my-tax-return/164193.md?page=2)