# Hippie-Speak for: Fuck Off, We've Gotcha Money Now!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772 "2010-10-11T10:13:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/1 "2010-10-11T10:13:57Z")
I started a thread a couple of weeks back about the fear and loathing I anticipated about heading to a music festival in northern NSW: [Going Tripping…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=579416&highlight=tripping) As was mentioned in that thread, my (nearly) worst nightmares came pretty much true, but we arrived home safe and sound and sans pneumonia, so all was OK really. Because the festival was cancelled, my daughter was hoping for a refund of sorts, even if it was only for the final 36 hours. She’d spent a shitload of dough on the tickets (as had many thousands of others of course), so was anticipating either a credit for perhaps next years concert, or maybe an actual cash refund. I checked the website today…😃 > [@](#): > > The weather was obviously beyond our control and safety the paramount consideration but nevertheless, whether crew or audience, these circumstances serve as an opportunity to re-enforce that **we do not operate according to the average ‘dog eat dog’ benchmark of the corporate and commercial world but are attempting to swim against the tide of modern social paradigms.** We walk the road less travelled for good reason and if we wish the Global Carnival to survive in the future,\*\* let’s share the difficult times in order to continue sharing the love and the good times\*\*. > [@](#): > > Whether presenting an open-air event or choosing to purchase tickets to one, there is an implicit risk with the weather and a central reason the Carnival ticket policy, prior to purchasing, is that tickets are non-refundable. None of us can guarantee the weather **but all of us can shoulder responsibility for the choices we make.** [Full bulltish here](http://www.globalcarnival.com/news/the-washout-and-state-of-play) Good fucking grief 😛 I am speechless…the whole venue was a seething tide of capitalism gone rampant, from overpriced chappatis and chai, to mass-produced scarves and sarongs, with a few plastic whirligigs and torches thrown in for good measure. Sure, the musicians might have been shortchanged somewhat, but seeing as most of them were being billeted by local families in the Bellinger Valley, I doubt they ended up too much out of pocket (many of them had gigs in town later in the week anyway). I so wish I was a hippie again, y’know, so I can share all that love, and the good times and shit. And those paradigms?? Wow, they’re so heavy man, it’s so cool to cast them off…paradigms can get you down something shocking if you let them. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![may\_be\_ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c5a1d2/32.png) [@may\_be\_ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/may_be_ignorant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/2 "2010-10-11T11:13:40Z")
I would go back next year with an arsenal of weaponry and Ex VP Cheney at my side. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/3 "2010-10-11T11:33:15Z")
> [@may\_be\_ignorant](#): > > I would go back next year with an arsenal of weaponry and Ex VP Cheney at my side. _Cheney?_ Wow. The weaponry I can **grok** man, but _Cheney??_ Hey, that’s totally cruel. Wouldn’t wish him upon my worstest enemy. Wow. :rolleyes: 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/4 "2010-10-11T12:28:12Z")
Lovey dovey bullshit aside, there are in my experience so few things as financially grasping as entrepreneurial hippies. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/5 "2010-10-13T04:09:54Z")
Never trust a hippie with your money. I think that was one of the first life lessons I ever learned. They just have too many ways to make you feel like a dick when you ask for your money back. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/6 "2010-10-13T04:17:34Z")
So, your daughter bought tickets knowing there was a no refund policy, and is now upset that there’s not going to be a refund? And you’re upset about that too? WTF? Stop buying tickets to outdoor events if the tix are non-refundable, then. But it seems to me you have [del]very little[/del] nothing to bitch about here, except maybe the weather. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/7 "2010-10-13T05:28:56Z")
Nah, not really upset **Snowboarder** , although there have been suggestions that their actions might contravene some busineness-practice ruling. I’m really more bemused by the weaseling language used on the website…if they’d just come out and said, ‘Fuck off, we’ve got your money now’ I would have laughed and put it down as a well learned lesson. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SevenOfTeemingMillions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@SevenOfTeemingMillions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SevenOfTeemingMillions)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/8 "2010-10-13T05:51:28Z")
I was totally amused when they say “we do not operate according to the average ‘dog eat dog’ benchmark of the corporate and commercial world but are attempting to swim against the tide of modern social paradigms” and then they go and practice the ‘dog eat dog’ paradigm. I’ll bet my dog’s collection of cat figurines that they’ll either change their company name for next year’s event or claim that they are under new management. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/9 "2010-10-13T06:46:27Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I’m really more bemused by the weaseling language used on the website…if they’d just come out and said, ‘Fuck off, we’ve got your money now’ I would have laughed and put it down as a well learned lesson. Yeah, I think when non-hippies rip you off, it’s typically more like "Money? What money? I don’t have your money…oh _that_ money, well we appreciate your business, and our consumer services department will be happy to address your complaints in a timely fashion and that license agreement is _completely_ legitimate and signed for…that warranty is ironclad, we have lawyers…it’s not our fault, the devil made us do it, we have documents… At least when Weyland-Yutani tries to screw me, they don’t try lay a guilt trip while they’re doing it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kjbrasda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/74df32/32.png) [@kjbrasda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kjbrasda)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/10 "2010-10-13T07:16:09Z")
I’m pretty sure that most outdoor concerts and other venues (i.e. renassaince festivals and the like) have a no-refund policy for weather. ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/11 "2010-10-13T16:56:23Z")
> [@](#): > > We walk the road less travelled for good reason and if we wish the Global Carnival to survive in the future, let’s share the difficult times in order to continue sharing the love and the good times. _adjusts hippie-speak translator_ ah, here we go: “We had to pay the bands their guarantees, as we’d like to keep this festival a going concern rather than spend our time getting fucked by lawyers.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/12 "2010-10-13T20:09:55Z")
I’m guessing it’s hippy speak for “we didn’t buy event insurance”. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/13 "2010-10-13T20:21:36Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Sure, the musicians might have been shortchanged somewhat, but seeing as most of them were being billeted by local families in the Bellinger Valley, I doubt they ended up too much out of pocket (many of them had gigs in town later in the week anyway). What? They didn’t pay the musicians and _kept the money_? That can’t be true. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/14 "2010-10-13T21:37:52Z")
They sound like rookie hippie-festivalists. Ours has had rain most years for some part of the time frame, and the show _always_ goes on. In 2004 we had the tail end of Hurricane Charley blow over. The following year some sets were delayed or interrupted because of concerns of on-stage electrocution. And yet, every major act that was booked still appeared, and good times were had. > [@mack](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > We walk the road less travelled for good reason and if we wish the Global Carnival to survive in the future, let’s share the difficult times in order to continue sharing the love and the good times. > > _adjusts hippie-speak translator_ ah, here we go: “We had to pay the bands their guarantees, as we’d like to keep this festival a going concern rather than spend our time getting fucked by lawyers.” Ah, but that’s not “sharing the difficult times,” is it? If the promoters and the bands have been paid, it’s really just the would-be festivalgoers who are bearing the difficulty. And how many of those people are going to be interested in buying tickets to this event next time around? What will they tell their friends about the event? If keeping the festival as a going concern was really the priority, the promoters might have been better off taking the loss and refunding the money. As it is, I’d say they’re covering their own financial asses, for this year, _at the expense of_ the festival’s future. ---
**Author:** ![kjbrasda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/74df32/32.png) [@kjbrasda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kjbrasda)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/15 "2010-10-15T05:12:00Z")
I’m going to adjust my earlier statement. (I was going to adjust it last night but got distracted by porn) Most outdoor entertainment venues have a _rain or shine_ policy. Though in the case that the whole thing was cancelled like the OP, I guess I would expect a refund. ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/16 "2010-10-17T03:14:00Z")
> [@kjbrasda](#): > > I’m going to adjust my earlier statement. (I was going to adjust it last night but got distracted by porn) > Most outdoor entertainment venues have a _rain or shine_ policy. Though in the case that the whole thing was cancelled like the OP, I guess I would expect a refund. If I understand correctly, Sunday was cancelled. Friday and Saturday were not. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hippie-speak-for-fuck-off-weve-gotcha-money-now/556772/17 "2010-10-17T21:03:51Z")
That sounds suspect to me. I thought the whole point of those outdoor festivals was to sit around for hours in the rain, wallowing in the mud listening to jam bands and indie rock.