# Hipster Asshat with the Hipster Asshat **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2005, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811 "2005-10-25T14:04:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/61 "2005-10-26T12:34:27Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > **Jurph** I’m with ya on the fedora thing, First it was a yuppie/boomer accessory meant to pay some twisted, bullshit homage to thier supposedly smarter, tougher, courageous fathers, and now, every alleged asshole ‘hipster’ wants to look like Al Capone’s younger cousin in a pork pie, or fedora and a sweat suit top. Idiots. The only people that need to be wearing fedoras are, in order, Indiana Jones, men who lived from between the late 20’s through the early 50’s, and old men with beards giving guided tours of safari parks. That’s it. Damn. I have a fedora that I wear when it rains–it’s my only hat right now that keeps the rain off me. You make me want to wear it and smoke a corncob pipe and don a sharkskin suit, just to watch you explode. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/62 "2005-10-26T19:24:32Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Now see, here’s where you’re stupid. You are challenging his particular brand of pretension, that doesn’t absolve YOU of pretentiousness. You are being pretentious as well, just for a different side. See how that works? > > Erek I will see it when you point out a specific example, rather than make empty generalizations. That was a request for a cite, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/63 "2005-10-26T20:05:37Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I will see it when you point out a specific example, rather than make empty generalizations. That was a request for a cite, by the way. I direct you to the posts you have made. All of them, each one equally pretentious. You came into a rant, ranted at the ranter for ranting. You’re an idiot. Erek ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/64 "2005-10-26T20:10:41Z")
So I guess they didn’t have a hat check at this place? It used to be that everyone wore a hat. I don’t know why, and I don’t know why they stopped wearing hats. And at one time Catholic women had to wear a hat at church. Was there something that forced you to be behind this person, and pay so much attention to him? Why didn’t you just move to a place with a better view of the stage? Have you had bad experiences with people who wear fedoras in the past? In this day and age, I can’t imagine how the term “hipster” is defined. For every person wearing a fedora there’s someone adamantly playing bongos. Do you know how quickly Death Cab will be long forgotten? ---
**Author:** ![scout1222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@scout1222](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scout1222)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/65 "2005-10-26T20:17:42Z")
Man, you can’t have any fun being a curmudgeon around here, anymore. [sub] **Jurph** , I like your style. BUT GET OFF MY LAWN.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/66 "2005-10-26T20:30:05Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I direct you to the posts you have made. All of them, each one equally pretentious. You came into a rant, ranted at the ranter for ranting. You’re an idiot. > > Erek Here’s a little lexicograpghical help for you, from _Mirriam-Webster_. > [@](#): > > Main Entry: pre·ten·tious > Pronunciation: pri-'ten(t)-sh&s > Function: adjective > Etymology: French prétentieux, from prétention pretension, from Medieval Latin praetention-, praetentio, from Latin praetendere > 1 : characterized by pretension : as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) \ b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature \ \ > 2 : making demands on one’s skill, ability, or means : AMBITIOUS \ > synonym see SHOWY > > - pre·ten·tious·ly adverb > - pre·ten·tious·ness noun > [@](#): > > Main Entry: 1rant > Pronunciation: 'rant > Function: verb > Etymology: obsolete Dutch ranten, randen > intransitive senses > 1 : to talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner > 2 : to scold vehemently > transitive senses : to utter in a bombastic declamatory fashion > > - rant·er noun > - rant·ing·ly /'ran-ti[ng]-lE/ adverb I do see now why you rejected my advice to consult a mirror. It must be hell never knowing if what you see is real. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Is\_Schwa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8baadc/32.png) [@What\_Is\_Schwa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Is_Schwa)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/67 "2005-10-26T20:43:46Z")
What ever happened to a polite tap on the shoulder and an “excuse me sir, your hat is obstructing my view. Would you mind removing it?” Most guys like that at a show are more than delighted to assist an attractive young lady. In addition, you are in a large building. Unless there was a sea of fadora hat wearin’ assholes (not _entirely_ unlikely) one could simple move two feet to the left or right. Yeah, i know, there are other people around, but again, it’s your own social awkwardness if you can’t move past one or two people. Way to pass judgement on someone when you can’t even deal with your own social hangups. Just because you can’t have fun don’t make it the fault of another person. I hate people like you at shows. ---
**Author:** ![Jurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/68 "2005-10-26T20:54:10Z")
> [@What Is Schwa](#): > > What ever happened to a polite tap on the shoulder and an “excuse me sir, your hat is obstructing my view. Would you mind removing it?” Most guys like that at a show are more than delighted to assist an attractive young lady. My wife and the government are both going to be very surprised to discover that I’m an attractive young lady (I’m none of the above). If you had read the thread, you wouldn’t have asked the question you did – since it’s been answered twice – but then if you had read the thread, you also wouldn’t have had nearly as much fun coming in to shit all over me. I don’t think you’re a very nice person! > [@](#): > > In addition, you are in a large building. Sure, I am now. But at the time of the incident in the OP, I was in the 9:30 Club, cheek-to-jowl with people. Moving in any direction was a dicey proposition. > [@](#): > > Way to pass judgement on someone when you can’t even deal with your own social hangups. Just because you can’t have fun don’t make it the fault of another person. I had plenty of fun. Way to pass judgement on me when you can’t even be arsed to read the thread. Also, “social hangups”? The 1970s are on line three, and they want their slang back. > [@](#): > > I hate people like you at shows. I hate people who don’t bother to read the thread, and just come in to crap all over the OP. I bet you smell bad and wear ugly hats. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/69 "2005-10-26T20:54:39Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Here’s a little lexicograpghical help for you, from _Mirriam-Webster_. > I do see now why you rejected my advice to consult a mirror. It must be hell never knowing if what you see is real. Thank you for your lexicographical help, it was most umm, actually it did very little. I learned that Rant was taken from the dutch though! It still stands, you are doing the same thing you are bitching about, only for a different subject. Keep on keeping on though! Don’t let your hypocrisy stand in the way of your righteous indignation! The question I have is “Why do you care what he rants about?” The ‘pretense’ is that you’re above it. Come on down into the muck, enjoy yourself, you know we’ve got you by the ankles anyway. Erek ---
**Author:** ![What\_Is\_Schwa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8baadc/32.png) [@What\_Is\_Schwa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Is_Schwa)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/70 "2005-10-26T21:07:24Z")
> [@Jurph](#): > > I bet that girl standing behind you would have been impressed, too, if she could have seen you mumbling the words. [/size] I thought you were refering to yourself. Apparently several of you gathered behind this asshat. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/71 "2005-10-26T21:14:56Z")
Hmm. If there were some guy wearing a hat that displeased me, I’d probably just say “I don’t like that guy’s hat.” It’s hard to know if he’s pretending to anything. I’m trying to understand why wearing a fedora is “pretentious.” What is he pretending to be? Please fill me in. I’d be the first to say it looks kind of silly, but I don’t understand why it should offend me. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/72 "2005-10-26T21:18:14Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The question I have is "Why do you care what he rants about?"Erek Is it your position then that all rants should be read and not replied to? Do you assume that any response to a Pit thread implies 'caring’about it. If so, why reserve your animus for me? And lastly, at the risk of taxing your research abilities, can you show where I have pretended to be ‘above it’, and why such behavior would be pretentious? ---
**Author:** ![Encinitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Encinitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Encinitas)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/73 "2005-10-26T21:24:07Z")
Are we talking about [this kind of hat?](http://24ur.com/media/images/extra/Dec2004/6025358.jpg) If so then you should have set it on fire. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Doc\_Sarvis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Doc\_Sarvis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doc_Sarvis)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/74 "2005-10-26T22:00:16Z")
Jurph I am with you to the end on this one. Where the fuck did these hipsters come from anyways? It seems their goal in life is to strike a pose and let everyone see how cool they are. I went to see the Hives awhile back and I expected hipsters to be there but I wasn’t prepared to walk into a concert full of boys in girls pants. The thing that really gets me though is that they don’t do anything. The Hives are a pretty rocking band but the hipsters all just stood there during the whole show not moving. There was no one dancing,jumping ,singing, no fists in the air. Nothing. They just stood there in place and watched. And it wasn’t even a seated venue. In short the problem with hipsters is they are the ones killing rock & roll. ---
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/75 "2005-10-26T22:30:10Z")
You remember a disturbing amount of detail about this guy. The way he stood, the leathery smell of his jacket, the manly scent . . . . What did his bulge look like? I don’t think we got the details on that. For someone that pissed you off so much, you seem oddly fascinated with him. ---
**Author:** ![scout1222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@scout1222](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scout1222)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/76 "2005-10-26T22:37:43Z")
> [@Encinitas](#): > > Are we talking about [this kind of hat?](http://24ur.com/media/images/extra/Dec2004/6025358.jpg) If so then you should have set it on fire. 😃 Preferably while the dude in the picture is wearing it! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/77 "2005-10-26T22:38:42Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > You can take in a guy’s outfit and presence in about 2 seconds and write a rant twice as long as \*\*Jurph[b/]'s without FIXATING on anything or not enjoying the music yourself or being so upset that you should just stay at home. > > And if some jerk-o is going to dress like a big jerk-o – a twenty-something with a fucking fedora to go see a band then hoorah to someone for calling him out. > > A dude wearing a fucking fedora to see a band is asking for it. He ain’t wearing a fucking fedora because it’s a sensible choice. He’s doing it to lay down a cool vibe, and that alone makes him the uncool asshole subject of the pitting. Trunk’s right. Fuck these other idiots. Anyone shooting for the meta-ironic hipster angle is automatically a scenester and an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2005, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/78 "2005-10-26T23:04:28Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > That leaves the complaint that he, a 5’6" guy with a hat on (and fedoras are really not that tall, unless you’re leaving something out), didn’t stand near the back of the crowd. That seems like a pretty small reason to pit someone. > > Geez. Let folks have their fun, and stop caring so much about how hip they look. It’ll be more fun for you, too. > > Daniel Uh, yeah, whatever. I’m 5’5" and a 5’6" guy with a fedora on would have completely blocked my view, making me want to rip his hat off and shove it up his ass without crumpling it. I’m seething just thinking of it. Goddamn inconsiderate concert-goers. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/79 "2005-10-27T00:45:37Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Uh, yeah, whatever. I’m 5’5" and a 5’6" guy with a fedora on would have completely blocked my view Yeah, but so would a 5’8" guy, and let’s face it, pretty much every guy in the world is that tall or taller. I’m 6’2" - what the hell could I do if I were in front of you? And at least you could ask the hat-wearer to take his hat off. It’s not like he was trying to crowd surf, or pee on people’s knees. Maybe you should wear lifts - the google ads have been pushing them something fierce lately. Generally speaking, this thread makes me want to piss on poorly-dressed short people at gigs. Sheesh - how can people invest this much … _pettiness_ in someone’s choice of clothes? Fucking hell, could it possibly get any shallower? “Yeah, dude - there was this short guy at the gig I went to, and he was wearing a _hat_! The fucking cheek! I _know_! I could bearly contain myself until I got home to the messageboards! Yeah, you’d better _believe_ I wrote a stinging rant. I might even blog about it later, you just see if I don’t. _Oh_ yeah. Yeah, he’ll be smarting from that. Except that I just sat behind him the whole time and glowered, rather than ask him to take the hat off, and instead pissed and moaned like a whiny bitch on some random corner of the internet. But other than that, I bet he really regrets his sartorial choices now. Why yes, I _do_ have a few bitterness issues to work out, but I’m sure this is nothing to do with that…” Incidentally, I was standing next to Jarvis Cocker at the Arcade Fire gig a while back. I was taller and ganglier than him, which distressed me. But I was wearing a cooler jacket. Go me. Fucking outstanding gig, too. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811/80 "2005-10-28T05:58:50Z")
Death Cab has been lame ever since _Something About Airplanes._ You’re still listening to them? Pshaw. I’m currently into this awesome group of Ecodurian mimes who fart into kazoos. Trust when I say it’s the hot new shit. I’m sure you’ll hear about it in about 4 more years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hipster-asshat-with-the-hipster-asshat/327811.md?page=5)