# His Dark Materials - wow. \[Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 13, 2003, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073 "2003-03-13T11:25:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073/41 "2003-12-07T19:06:24Z")
> [@](#): > > _originally posted by Finagle_: > > What the hell? The whole course of creation reverses itself because of two kids snogging in the woods? How lame is that? You mean kind of like how the course of creation changed because some chick ate a fruit? šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Hot\_Buttered\_Toast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b38774/32.png) [@Hot\_Buttered\_Toast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hot_Buttered_Toast)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073/42 "2003-12-07T19:20:39Z")
Iā€™m in the target age group. I loved the first book, it was brilliant. The universe was intriguing, the plot was great, and the ending led me to expect sequels of that bookā€™s quality. I mean, a new world just opened in front of Lyra. I was fully expecting something incredible to happen after that revelation. Words cannot describe the utter apathy I feel towards the second and third books. Iā€™m sure many people enjoyed them, but I thought that the whole story went downhill from there. Perhaps Iā€™m missing out on something, but I just canā€™t bring myself to read the sequels again. ---
**Author:** ![Loneraven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c0e974/32.png) [@Loneraven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loneraven)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073/43 "2003-12-07T20:27:01Z")
I loved these books. I absolutely loved them. It took me a long time to ā€œgetā€ how exactly Mary was the serpent, but it did dawn on me eventually. But I do think the first book was my favourite. Not that I didnā€™t enjoy the other two, far from it, but the first one, set in a universe with such scale and beauty and subtle differences from our world, was the one that really took my breath away. But I didnā€™t really like Will; I didnā€™t find him nearly as interesting as Lyra. Does anyone know anything about why the book was renamed in America? ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073/44 "2003-12-08T00:35:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Personally I did enjoy the books but there was something about them that makes me hesitant to read them again. Perhaps it was a little much for my mind at the time, or maybe just the way he presented ideas. Iā€™ll admit I couldnā€™t put them down once I started to read, but once readā€¦ I donā€™t want to read them again. Yeah, I feel much the same way, possibly because a few things about the ending of the third book hit much too close to home. I enjoyed them very much, but I would have a hard time bringing myself to read them again. ---
**Author:** ![Helena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c68b51/32.png) [@Helena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073/45 "2004-01-09T23:14:45Z")
Iā€™ve been thinking about this for a couple days, and I think I understand the temptation thing a little better, but I still donā€™t get what the point of it was. The dust is flowing into the abyss because of all the windows that were left open, so they close the windows and that solves the problem. What does Lyra and Will falling in love actually DO? ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073/46 "2004-01-10T00:52:17Z")
**Helena** , that relates to your OP in the thread that I used to direct you to this one. What you described in the spoiler box _was_ ā€œthe fallā€, but instead of Knowledge being shameful and dangerous (as it did when Eve fell), the world became a place where it was prized and sought-after. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073/47 "2004-01-10T00:53:40Z")
argh, I meant ā€œbecomingā€, not ā€œbeingā€. :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his-dark-materials-wow-spoilers/161073.md?page=2)