# His4Ever, A Word With You Please **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2002, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045 "2002-09-21T23:37:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/81 "2002-09-23T18:41:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > **So when a particularly abusive poster returns, it must be assumed that his apology was perfectly sincere, and he must be given every possible benefit of the doubt. Even though no one has seen the apology.** Now you are changing your story. At first you said **Kirk** didn’t apologize so we should accept **H4e’s** apology no matter how sincere it is or we are all hypocrits. But now its clear that he did. He may have been insincere. Or maybe he was sincere. If you want to talk about **Kirk** being an insincere asshole, start a thread about how **Kirk** is an insincere asshole. > [@](#): > > \*\*And yet we can all see into **His4ever** ’s mind, and know for certain that her apology is “obviously insincere”. \*\* **H4e** apology is obviously insincere because she says _in that post that she isn’t being sincere_ by saying she is only apologizing because **cj** wants her to. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/82 "2002-09-23T18:47:57Z")
He’s to apologize _to_ **Kirkland** for requesting an apology _from_ Kirkland? Yeah, that makes sense. How’s’bout Kirkland make right the last six months of bad actions, AND show that he understands what he did wrong, and then he’ll have some standing to complain about **Shodan**. For what it’s worth, yeah, **His4Ever** ’s apology was lame. So was Kirkland’s, since “Just because I didn’t apologize in public doesn’t mean I didn’t apologize for stepping over the line in the GD,” doesn’t mean that he _did_ apologize. Lame, lame, lame. Throw in the intemperate remarks here, and I don’t perceive Kirkland as contrite in the least. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/83 "2002-09-23T18:57:28Z")
So **Ace** , if **Kirkland** didn’t apologize to the mods/other powers-that-be, how is it that he’s back? It takes more than just someone(s) vouching for a person to get said person back if the banning was warranted. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/84 "2002-09-23T19:07:10Z")
> [@](#): > > **Shodan** , addressing **Kirkland** : You are free to draw what conclusions you please from not being corrected. It might be a good idea for you to consider if, at any point in the past, you may have reacted a little more strongly than the situation warranted. You know, I tend to agree with you on the degree and heat of **Kirk** ’s past comments. However, neither in the theological realm nor in the context of board practice, it is for neither of us to judge. Those who have a right to judge, have, and have forgiven him – in both cases. Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.” You think maybe there’s a lesson for us in that, friend? ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/85 "2002-09-23T19:37:51Z")
Aw, it’s just **Ace** , getting his jollies by poking people again. It’s a standard pattern with him; annoy people until they lash out at him, and then pull the “you’re all picking on me” act. I guess everybody’s gotta have a hobby. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/86 "2002-09-23T19:45:36Z")
Let’s all apologize. I apologize to anyone I might have unintentionally offended if they think for some reason that an apology is necessary. There. I feel much better. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/87 "2002-09-23T20:02:34Z")
**Lib** , I think you owe us all an apology for that apology. Really. Oh, and I apologize. In fact, I even apologize for apologizing. (Does anybody else feel like a fried egg?) Esprix ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/88 "2002-09-23T20:05:33Z")
**Iampunha** : To me, at least, they are two different beasts. How Kirkland got back here is between him and the Moderators. He has certainly not apologized to the board, nor has he explicitly admitted an apology of any kind. **MrVisible** : Physician-child, heal thyself. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/89 "2002-09-23T20:23:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*So when a particularly abusive poster returns, it must be assumed that his apology was perfectly sincere, and he must be given every possible benefit of the doubt. Even though no one has seen the apology. \*\* The Moderators have seen the apology (please note this is a specific statement that there was one). If that’s not good enough for you, then that’s your problem. But nice try, by the way, of trying to deflect the well-deserved criticism of your pet bigot His4Ever by twisting this thread to be about me. Very subtle. Really. Quite a decent effort on behalf of an indecent person. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/90 "2002-09-23T20:24:45Z")
Feh on apologies. “Non, je ne regrette rien…” ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/91 "2002-09-23T20:27:05Z")
Or, as Frankie used to say, “Regrets, I’ve had a few… But then again, too few to mention…” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/92 "2002-09-23T20:36:06Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* [ul][li]Welcome back, **Kirk**. I cannot tell you how glad I am to see you back here again.[/ul][/li][/quote] Thanks. [quote] [ul][li]I think you ( **Kirk** ) misjudge **Shodan**. I don’t agree with him on a lot of issues, including the one at hand, but I think he is sincere and thoughtful in what he has to say, and in no way hates or despises you and the other gay people here. [/ul][/li][/quote] He supports a viscious anti-gay bigot and helps her spread her propaganda. That is hate. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/93 "2002-09-23T20:36:24Z")
Dudes. Must we do this again? Shodan: H4E is being willfuly ignorant and hurtful. And Kirkland owes an apology to a) those whom he insulted, and b) the mods. He don’t owe one to the Teeming Twenty Thousand. Not that it matters. I’d say that Kirkie has paid for his sins. Actually, I look forward to him explaining, in a cool, clear, calm voice, what an idiot H4E is, in monosyllables. I would also like to propose the ten-second rule: Before you post something vitrolic, breathe deeply and think happy thoughts for ten seconds. Then go back, and see if anything you wrote was over the top. IMHO: Saying, “I think you’re an abomination,” and “I believe this book states that you are an abomination, and that this book is true,” are the same damn thing. That means that His4ever has opened herself to someone like me heading over to Internet Infidels, downloading the list of Biblical atrocites and inconsistencies, and asking her if she believes that, for instance, disobedient sons and Onanists should be put to death. If so, we’ve just lost the teenagers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/94 "2002-09-23T20:40:40Z")
Are we six degrees from the OP yet? I mean, we haven’t even mentioned **His4ever** ’s hideous colored font usage! I think that merits an apology, too. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/95 "2002-09-23T20:47:34Z")
I have started this post twice over, and I still don’t know how it is going to turn out. OK, I was wrong - now it is restarted three times. And I have run out of different ways to explain what I am thinking. Nonetheless, because I value the opinion of most - hell, of all - the posters in this thread - yes, **Kirkland1244** , you too - and especially because I cannot imagine anyone regretting that they took **Polycarp** ’s advice on a matter such as this - I apologize for any of the remarks I made that were offensive. If I seemed to state or imply that **Kirkland1244** should not have been un-banned, I am sorry for that as well. I don’t want to water this down by tacking on any lame excuses afterwards, but I am honestly unsure if the above is what the board found to be offensive in what I said. If there is something more/something else that I said that went over the line, please let me know what it was. And here is where I am tempted to justify myself by carping, or by pointing fingers at others. Which would spoil the effect. So I guess this is where the post is going to end up. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/96 "2002-09-23T20:49:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by robertliguori \* > \*\*IMHO: Saying, “I think you’re an abomination,” and “I believe this book states that you are an abomination, and that this book is true,” are the same damn thing. \*\* Yes! Precisely! They are **exactly the same thing**! Thank God, someone else smart enough to realize this. His4Ever ascribing the source of her anti-gay bigotry to the oft-redacted myths of a bronze age nomadic desert tribe doesn’t make her any less of an anti-gay bigot. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/97 "2002-09-23T21:37:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* > **His4Ever, when I first came to this board, the reaction was, “Jeez, not another one of them Christians come to preach at us!” Some thought it, some overtly posted it. The guy who said in essence what I just quoted (albeit with better English than I did) became one of my closest friends, both here and IRL. (I won’t say who for two reasons: He’s no longer a member of this board nor a resident of this city; and his screen name would lead you to erroneous conclusions about his spiritual life. But longtime members will know just whom I’m speaking about.)** [Church Lady]Hmmm… Could it be… SATAN [/Church Lady] 😃 Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/98 "2002-09-23T21:46:28Z")
> [@](#): > > His4Ever ascribing the source of her anti-gay bigotry to the oft-redacted myths of a bronze age nomadic desert tribe doesn’t make her any less of an anti-gay bigot. Bigotry is as bigotry does, I reckon. You’ve just offended about four billion Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Are you an anti-dentite? ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/99 "2002-09-23T21:55:01Z")
OK folks, now that it’s outside of business hours which means no one’s likely to phone me with a wonderful job offer, let me get back to this mess. First of all, **His4Ever** has e-mailed me and I have responded to her off-line. Hopefully, we’ll be able to sort things out, ( **Polycarp** , one phrase I used was “I will, with God’s help.”) Second, she did say, in response to a post by **agentfroot** on this page (and I hope this doesn’t turn out to be the first post on page 3!), > [@](#): > > No, that wasn’t my intent. I just found some of what was being said very bad, that’s all. That, as stated in **agentfroot’s** post was > [@](#): > > the way you posted made it sound like you were condemning me too. **Apology accepted** with regard to the OP. I suspect we may be thrashing out other issues raised for a very long time. Now, for the rest of you, **Bosda** , “Back at you!” and **Kirkland** , it’s good to have you back, warts and all. Drat. I’m not going to do a mile long post addressing all of you. Besides, most of you know what I think of you. Oh, **Polycarp** , thanks for the back up. I was worried about being too harsh, but her post cut deep. Anyway, I, for one, am willing to wait to see what happens next. Thanks, CJ ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045/100 "2002-09-23T22:01:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > **You’ve just offended about four billion Christians, Jews, and Muslims.** First of all, I think you’re overestimating those numbers. Closer to 3.5 billion of them in the world. And secondly, what’s offensive? The Bible was redacted by a nomadic desert tribe with a bronze age understanding of the world. And the stories of the early part of the Bible most certainly are myths. There is no reasonable reason for any thinking person to believe in a literal six-day creation, a Garden of Eden or any of that clearly mythical stuff. But that doesn’t make the underlying message of those tall tales (God created the world for man, etc etc) false. > [@](#): > > Are you an anti-dentite? \*\* Yes. I hate doctors and dentists. They use needles. I hate needles. They hurt. Kirk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-a-word-with-you-please/129045.md?page=6)