# His4Ever, JerseyDiamond and Joe\_Cool are hypocrites. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2002, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139 "2002-11-27T17:18:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/181 "2002-11-29T19:13:43Z")
My above was addressed to Monty, not grendel. grendel: Yes, I’ve seen more compassion in gobear than in J\_C or JD, too. But what do I know. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/182 "2002-11-29T19:15:19Z")
Sure, masonite. The very second she quits calling me a Devil worshipper, I’ll cut her a million miles of slack. Until then, she gets it with both barrels, no matter if she’s equipped to take me on or not. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/183 "2002-11-29T19:18:27Z")
masonite: In short, I guess what I’m saying is that so long as she demands I follow her rules, by God, she should follow them first! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/184 "2002-11-29T19:25:23Z")
**Monty** , rather than hitting **H4e** upside the head, no matter how tempting, can’t you exercise _your_ Christian witness and extend an olive branch to someone in need? It would be better for the community if we could show **H4E** that if Christians are divided on the question of remarriage after divorce, then she would figure out the corollary that they are also legitimately divided on the question of homosexuality. I know that the SDMB folks think that I’m completely evil and awful, but it seems to me that redemption is better than condemnation. Sure, she makes me angry, but if if I can make her my friend rather than my enemy, I’d be much happier than crushing her. To quote Alexander Pope, “Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel?” ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/185 "2002-11-29T19:31:22Z")
H4E, it seems you’re entitled to a million miles of slack if you’ll step in and announce that Monty is not a devil-worshipper. (It won’t be really big news, though.) ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/186 "2002-11-29T19:34:37Z")
**gobear** , that was kind of beautiful, on multiple levels. I, for one, don’t think you’re **completely** evil and awful… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/187 "2002-11-29T19:39:35Z")
No, masonite, she’d also have to apply that logic to and recant all her lies about Catholics and gays at the same time before deserving so much as an inch of slack. Though I do thank her for finally proving, once and for all, what a horrible and hypocritical person she is. Will make things much easier from now on. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/188 "2002-11-29T19:39:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > > **There are different opinions in my faith as to the validness of divorce and remarriage. Some say not allowed at all and some may say only in certain cases, such as the adultery of one of the spouses. There are some who might consider first marriage partners to still be married to each other. Frankly, I don’t know what the answer is to divorce and remarriage. It’s better to remain single if you can control the sexual desire, according to scripture, but few seem to be able to do that.** One more quick question for **H4E** ~ What does the **bible** say about it? Divorce and remarriage, I mean. According to all the posts of yours that I’ve read, you use scripture in its literal form to make all your decisions and base your opinions. If that is indeed the case, why would this be any different, where instead what the church, community (or whatever) thinks is intregal. Because popular thought (beit here – where it can be construed as a bad thing depending on which side of the fence you’re own, or in a religious environment – where most people would consider it a positive) has been eschewed in your writings as not important in light of God’s word. So ultimately, can you offer scripture on this subject and let us know where you stand on how it applies to your life, as currently remarried? I think you in advance for any responses you may give (and also for answering a previous question of mine in another thread). Peace. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/189 "2002-11-29T19:49:51Z")
Well here’s a thought: The LDS permit divorce on the grounds of abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/190 "2002-11-29T20:02:58Z")
There’s a big difference between being divorced and single, noting that remarriage seems to be forbidden, and refraining from it; and finding oneself married, acknowledging that the divorce and remarriage may have been sins, and making decisions from that point forward. As I claimed before: God meets you where you are. Your past sins are undone. You only have to worry about future sins. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/191 "2002-11-29T20:05:49Z")
Cool, because I was born gay that means it isn’t a sin when I suck cock. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/192 "2002-11-29T20:42:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hopefool \* > \*\*One more quick question for **H4E** ~ > > What does the **bible** say about it? Divorce and remarriage, I mean. According to all the posts of yours that I’ve read, you use scripture in its literal form to make all your decisions and base your opinions. If that is indeed the case, why would this be any different, where instead what the church, community (or whatever) thinks is intregal. Because popular thought (beit here – where it can be construed as a bad thing depending on which side of the fence you’re own, or in a religious environment – where most people would consider it a positive) has been eschewed in your writings as not important in light of God’s word. So ultimately, can you offer scripture on this subject and let us know where you stand on how it applies to your life, as currently remarried? > > I think you in advance for any responses you may give (and also for answering a previous question of mine in another thread). Peace. \*\* I’m on break so don’t have a lot of time. Some of your sentences are a bit over my head. Divorce and remarriage appears to be forbidden in the scripture. What confuses me is there’s another scripture that I posted earlier that makes it seem that it’s not. “But and if he marry, he has not sinned, and if a virgin marry he has not sinned”. I’ll have too look it up again later. Anyway it remains a bit of a confusion to me. As it relates to me, I feel I’ve failed God because He hates divorce. I know there are reasons for some of the things I’ve done, but that’s no exuse. So, as it stands I can only go forward. I’ve asked forgiveness for my past and it’s under the blood of Christ. That’s about all I can say. If there were any Chrstian pastors on the board perhaps they could give us their take on divorce and remarriage and is it always wrong, or are there exceptions. For some of us, what’s done is done, and I think we should go forward. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/193 "2002-11-29T20:45:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Sure, masonite. The very second she quits calling me a Devil worshipper, I’ll cut her a million miles of slack. Until then, she gets it with both barrels, no matter if she’s equipped to take me on or not. \*\* Uh, I don’t recall calling you a devil worshipper.😕 ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/194 "2002-11-29T20:49:12Z")
> [@](#): > > I feel I’ve failed God because He hates divorce. [snip] I’ve asked forgiveness for my past and it’s under the blood of Christ. Dear, you’re doing your best now. That’s what counts. Maybe you’re one of those people, discussed in other threads, who somehow don’t “feel forgiven” just because the Bible states you are, and would benefit psychologically from a formal confessiona and a priest’s announcing that God has forgiven your sins! There is value in ritual. Just ribbin’ you a bit … 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/195 "2002-11-29T21:04:11Z")
Wow, H4E. That’s not even close. But I do thank you for finally using the words “appears to be.” Of course, you’re completely mistaken, as usual. You did finally hedge close to actually admitting that something’s your opinion. As I said, what you just posted isn’t even close. Here’s the bit, in context (try that sometime, you might like it), you mentioned above: > [@](#): > > [sup]25[/sup]Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. > > [sup]26[/sup]I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. > > [sup]27[/sup]Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. > > [sup]28[/sup]But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. Here, Paul is talking about people who are lawfully loosed from their spouses and people who enter lawful marriages. You might recall that Paul doesn’t trump Jesus. For one to be loosed from one’s spouse, one must have a valid divorce. You’ll notice that Jesus already declared that the only valid reason for the divorce (for you literalists, that is) is adultery. I must say, though, that I got a huge laugh out of your switching the gender of one of the principals in that passage so it could look like the virgin in the later portion of the passage was the man, not the woman. That’s very clever of you, in an extremely dishonest way, to make it look like this passage is your out. So what about all those places where Paul tells the woman to be subject to her hubby and not to leave him? What about the places where the woman is commanded not to preach? What about… Ah, to heck with it…every time you open your mouth, you prove you know less than someone who hasn’t even looked at, much less read, the Bible knows about it. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/196 "2002-11-29T21:33:00Z")
people who misspell Mormon are devil-worshippers… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/197 "2002-11-29T21:33:14Z")
H4E: You don’t recall that? Right. Tell me again about us LDS and our view of Jesus and Satan. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/198 "2002-11-29T21:34:48Z")
Thye’re brothers, right? (vanilla, running away fast) (hoping Monty gets the joke) ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/199 "2002-11-29T21:37:58Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **The Ace of Swords** _ > > **Joe\_Cool** and **Jersey\_Diamond** , I’m sure you won’t get an apology from the right person, so here’s mine: I apologize for the never-ending, disingenuous attacks on your life and your love. Is that apology good for me, too, for all the attacks on my life and love? I mean, I daresay I get attacked more than most… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/200 "2002-11-29T21:38:07Z")
I get it, Rose. You are one of the folks around here who actually sees the distinction between what that view really is and what H4E says it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139.md?page=11)