# His4Ever, JerseyDiamond and Joe\_Cool are hypocrites. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2002, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139 "2002-11-27T17:18:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Thylacine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thylacine/32/1143_2.png) [@Thylacine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thylacine)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/81 "2002-11-27T23:00:58Z")
So His4Ever was so full of lust she had to marry 3 men when she found herself lusting, not suck it up and be celibate as all we queers are supposed to as we are not _allowed_ to marry nor can we shag outside marriage in her world view? So she ignores an important section of the big 10 yet is totally strict on one of the minor by-laws? Oh fuck it, I cannot even pretend to be surprised. No smiley. ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/82 "2002-11-27T23:08:59Z")
quote: * * * Originally posted by: His4ever As to the divorce and remarriage thing, yes I’ve been married before. I decided that it was better to have a spouse than to burn with lust. I’ve been married 3 times, to my regret. My first husband was physically abusive and I stood it as long as I could. “It is better to marry than to burn”. Sorry, don’t have the reference at present. * * * And I thought I was a loser. My soul feels less black now. If she a can get in anyone can. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/83 "2002-11-27T23:15:40Z")
What does this mean in light of other Scirpture which says people should remain single if divorced: Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 No, if something happens to this marriage I have no intention of marrying again. I’ve messed up this area of my life enough. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/84 "2002-11-27T23:18:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Thylacine \* > \*\*So His4Ever was so full of lust she had to marry 3 men when she found herself lusting, not suck it up and be celibate as all we queers are supposed to as we are not _allowed_ to marry nor can we shag outside marriage in her world view? > > So she ignores an important section of the big 10 yet is totally strict on one of the minor by-laws? > > Oh fuck it, I cannot even pretend to be surprised. No smiley. \*\* That’s not all there is to the story, **Thylacine**. It would take too much space to share my marital/sexual history and the decisions I made and why I made them at the time. Suffice it to say, that I’ve asked God’s forgiveness according to 1 John 1:9 and He has forgiven me. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/85 "2002-11-27T23:20:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*What does this mean in light of other Scirpture which says people should remain single if divorced: > > Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. > > But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 > > No, if something happens to this marriage I have no intention of marrying again. I’ve messed up this area of my life enough. \*\* But you aren’t really single if your aren’t allowed to get divorced in the first place. In the eyes of God you are still married to your first husband. So, according to scripture, you should not “seek a spouse,” you should return to your legitimate husband. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/86 "2002-11-27T23:24:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*That’s not all there is to the story, **Thylacine**. It would take too much space to share my marital/sexual history and the decisions I made and why I made them at the time. Suffice it to say, that I’ve asked God’s forgiveness according to 1 John 1:9 and He has forgiven me. \*\* Why does God’s forgiveness allow you to continue to in your sin, but it does not allow gay Christians to continue to be gay? ---
**Author:** ![Thylacine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thylacine/32/1143_2.png) [@Thylacine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thylacine)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/87 "2002-11-27T23:55:46Z")
So if I had a really good reason for being queer God won’t mind me breaking commandments? Oh hang on, there are no commandments that talk about queers are there, we weren’t that important to God, only to fundies and by-laws and passing remarks seem so much more important to them than the top ten. Shit, there really is no way out for my poor old soul is there? Gee, I wonder why it is that the straight fundies get all the loopholes? Hmm, given I am already in trouble I think I should start stealing my neighbours ass or something. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/88 "2002-11-28T00:05:58Z")
I, for one, don’t think a Christian in **H4E** ’s position should leave his/her current spouse, even if the marriage was unlawful/sinful. However, if (God forbid) a second or third divorce occured, the person should then remain single. I admire H4E’s stance on this. God meets you where you are (IMO). If you find yourself married unlawfully, and wanting to follow Christ, I don’t think he’d advocate divorce or separation in that case. Just resolve to do it right from here forward. Families don’t need to be broken up because of deductive reasoning from one verse; that truly would be Pharisaical. ---
**Author:** ![Thylacine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thylacine/32/1143_2.png) [@Thylacine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thylacine)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/89 "2002-11-28T00:15:59Z")
> [@](#): > > However, if (God forbid) a second or third divorce occured, the person should then remain single. I admire H4E’s stance on this. **Masonite** , did you miss her say she is on marriage number 3 now? ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/90 "2002-11-28T00:16:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dr. Lao \* > \*\*Why does God’s forgiveness allow you to continue to in your sin, but it does not allow gay Christians to continue to be gay? \*\* There will come a time, very soon, when I accept the fact that I will never, ever see a decent answer to this question from the subjects of this discussion. When that day comes, I will no longer read these threads. But for now, I’ll take the first step of admitting to myself the reason I take part in these disasters at all. It’s not to “understand their point of view” or any of that hippie bullshit. It’s because I hold out hope that one day, I’ll open a thread and see **His4ever** or one of the others admit that there’s the smallest grain of a possibility that God thinks gay and lesbian love is just A-OK, just like any other kind of love. But it _isn’t going to happen_. Neither sincerity and politeness, nor flawless logic, nor heated argument is going to make it happen. This is, and has always been, a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/91 "2002-11-28T00:23:09Z")
Links to relevant threads anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/92 "2002-11-28T00:45:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by leander \* > \*\*Links to relevant threads anyone? \*\* [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2461746#post2461746) is a good one. And I quote: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by His4ever_ > \*\*But, it’s my belief that a person who is a homosexual and considers themselves a Christian should live a celibate lifestyle just as I believe a single Christian person should live a celibate lifestyle. > > **snip** > > So I can’t say “it’s okay, what you’re doing is not wrong or God will understand”.\*\* “God will understand.” She can’t say that for homosexuals, but apparently God does understand her divorces. Hmm. (fixed coding to correct side-scroll–TVeblen) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/93 "2002-11-28T00:46:08Z")
Oh, for the love of Og. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/94 "2002-11-28T00:47:33Z")
I think it is really fucking low to attack someone about their relationship. If you disagree with someone, stick to the issues, not the personal stuff. Calling someone an “abomination” because you don’t think they should be with the person they happen to be in love with is about the most underhanded thing I’ve ever seen on these boards. Did I say “abomination?” I meant “hypocrite”, of course. Can’t imagine what I was thinking of when I wrote “abomination.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/95 "2002-11-28T01:00:57Z")
You’re missing the entire point of the OP, Miller. H4E has condemned Gays for their relationships with each other, Catholics for their relationships with God, and Mormons for our relationships with God. Do you see it now? Or maybe I just missed you making this very same point. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/96 "2002-11-28T01:07:24Z")
Wow. How about that? A new thread idea the general topic area of which hasn’t been beaten to death, buried, dug up again and beaten until the bones were dust, then glued back together and beaten once again, burned at the stake, tossed into the sea and the entire area quarantined for a period of not less than 50 generations. I, in fact, did not know rather specifically what this thread would be about without even opening it or, more than haphazardly, reading the thread title. Those who initially showed their true colors so long ago are not about to change them now, **Homebrew**. And trying to show them how they actually look is only going to urge them on in making their color more strong. As such, you are, in effect, rather hindering your own cause. Once you have shown why (in your opinion) someone is X or Y, one need not exactly try to keep on demonstrating it. Those who know remember, and those who disagree probably won’t think higher of you or whatever goal you have if you rehash the same subject ad nauseam. IMO, anyway. In this, as in so many other things, I’ve certainly no patent on the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/97 "2002-11-28T01:18:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\* > Or maybe I just missed you making this very same point. \*\* \< Foghorn Leghorn voice \> You, AH SAY, YOU’VE been _wooshed_ ol’ boy! It went over youah haid. “Woosh”! “ovah youah haid” Hey! Ah made a funny! Witty, that is… \< / Foghorn Leghorn voice \> 😃 Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/98 "2002-11-28T01:49:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Many Christians are divided on the issure of marriage and divorce. Needless to say, I’ve asked forgiveness for my past sins. Does that mean that I should forever shut my mouth about what’s right and wrong? I don’t think so. \*\* Why not? After all isin’t it a sin to condemn someone else if you aren’t perfect? ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/99 "2002-11-28T02:52:19Z")
A few verses for His4Ever. > [@](#): > > _1 Corinthians 7:_ > [sup]10[/sup]And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: > [sup]11[/sup]But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. > [@](#): > > _John 8:7_ > So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. > [@](#): > > _Matthew 7:2_ > For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. So which measure do you choose? Love or The Law? > [@](#): > > No, if something happens to this marriage I have no intention of marrying again. I’ve messed up this area of my life enough. I want to make this very clear to you, H4E, we really don’t care how many times you’ve been married. What I want you to do is take a good long look at yourself. I want you to see the hyprocrisy of your comments. You judge us by a harsh, legalistic interpretation. If that is the measure you use for us, then that is the measure by which you will be judged. And you fall short using that measure. You’ve emphasized before that when Jesus gave forgiveness to the woman caught in adultery, he also told her to “go and sin no more.” You repeatedly point out that we can’t continue in our sin. Now, you’ve remarried, which is explicitly forbidden. But you’ve asked for forgiveness and you’ve been forgiven. Now “go and sin no more.” But wait, you are continuing “in sin” because you have not reconciled with your first husband or remained unmarried, as commanded above. So if you want to claim forgiveness that allows you to continue in sin, then you must use the same measure for us. Or at least quit throwing stones. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/100 "2002-11-28T03:02:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sterra \* > \*\*Why not? After all isin’t it a sin to condemn someone else if you aren’t perfect? \*\* No. Not that I’m defending H4E but that HAS to be the most misunderstood verse in the Bible. It’s saying “Don’t judge unless you’re willing to be judged by the same standard because you will be.” It’s _encouraging_ judging, but not by hypocrites. Which leads us nicely back to H4E. Fenris [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139.md?page=6)