# His4Ever, JerseyDiamond and Joe\_Cool are hypocrites. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2002, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139 "2002-11-27T17:18:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/121 "2002-11-28T09:20:46Z")
Um, when has **Ana** ever said “nyah, nyah” to ANYONE? I’d like to see a cite for THAT accusation. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/122 "2002-11-28T10:46:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*quote: > > * * * > > Originally posted by: His4ever > As to the divorce and remarriage thing, yes I’ve been married before. I decided that it was better to have a spouse than to burn with lust. I’ve been married 3 times, to my regret. My first husband was physically abusive and I stood it as long as I could. “It is better to marry than to burn”. Sorry, don’t have the reference at present. > > * * * > > And I thought I was a loser. My soul feels less black now. If she a can get in anyone can. \*\* You actually **want** to get if people like this can? I don’t! Reminds me of the South Park Ep where Saddam Hussein was condemend to Heaven because it was all full of Mormons or something (no personal offence to Mormons from me - that was the Ep! Substitute them for JC, JD and the posse and you get the idea). ---
**Author:** ![More\_Cowbell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@More\_Cowbell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/More_Cowbell)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/123 "2002-11-28T16:03:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zoe \* > \*\*Well, I guess that is your decision to make. But I’ve always thought that burning in lust was kind of fun…😉 > \*\* Fun?! I remember the last time I was burning with lust. I went to the doctor and he gave me some ointment for it. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/124 "2002-11-28T16:14:56Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > **Oh, and by the way, no poster here has yet seen fit to show me the post in question by Jersey Diamond. Gee, I wonder why. Talking out your collective asses again?** _\* Mostly we don’t answer you because you’re an annoying gnat and this is more response than you actually merit. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/125 "2002-11-28T17:03:12Z")
Hey, Joe. Who said the following? > [@](#): > > That is (if I’m not mistaken) a Mormon belief, but it’s not a Christian belief. In case your memory’s gone, you can find it in this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=32176&highlight=mormon](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=32176&highlight=mormon) From the same thread: > [@](#): > > No, I don’t consider Mormons to be a Christian church. The reason is that they don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus. They believe him to be a created being, of equal stature as Satan. (and the church of latter day saints IS the mormon church) That’s a couple of lies: [list][li]You assert that we don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus. Yet, in fact, we do. We consider him to be of the Godhead.[/li][li]You assert that we believe Jesus to be of equal stature as Satan. In fact, we don’t.[/li][/quote] BTW, THAT’S the post I was recalling when I alluded to you calling us devil worshippers. Who made the comment about the LDS church “being second to the Church of Scientology in grabbing media attention?” So, you not only lied then, but you also lied when you accused me of making “one more unfounded lie.” What the hey, though, “But what’s one more heaped on, right?” Not only do you tell others how to act, you make pronouncements on their relationship with deity, and flout the so-called divine law you expect everyone else to toe. My guess is that the word in the English language for such behaviour is “hypocrite” and the OP hit the nail on the head. [fixed linK–TVeblen] ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/126 "2002-11-28T17:10:54Z")
Drat. The list & its intro in my posting above should be: [quote] That’s a couple of lies: [ul][li]You assert that we don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus. Yet, in fact, we do. We consider him to be of the Godhead.[/li][li]You assert that we believe Jesus to be of equal stature as Satan. In fact, we don’t.[/ul][/li][/quote] ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/127 "2002-11-28T17:31:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Her transgression is always the same one - being evangelical in threads which have nothing to do with religion. Your comments have a lot of truth to them and I see your point. But it is not His4Ever’s being “evangelical” that is worrisome to me. It is the **seeming** self-righteousness that goes hand-in-hand with her condemnation of the actions of others. I often have problems with that myself and I am quick to spot it in others. In my own opinion, Christians should be more loving and less judgmental. One attribute represents the Christian faith and the other doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/128 "2002-11-28T17:55:50Z")
What I have a problem with is their martyrdom. Oh, everyone picks on the Christians, and it’s okay to do so in our society! Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/129 "2002-11-28T17:59:31Z")
Guin: Let’s not forget that they pick on other Christians. But, for them, that’s okay because we other Christians “aren’t really Christians.” We’re Catholics, Mormons, etc., but not Christians as far as they’re concerned. Oddly enough, I really don’t recall the words “Judge not Christians that ye not be judged” in Holy Writ. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/130 "2002-11-28T18:01:30Z")
p.s. Thanks for fixing the link, Veb. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/131 "2002-11-28T18:09:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > \*\*Mostly we don’t answer you because you’re an annoying gnat and this is more response than you actually merit. \*\* **Homebrew** : note that this is the new-“improved” Ace who’s decided to be Pit-Nanny. This is the second or third Pit thread he’s been in since his banning where he’s mewled about how awful the thread is and how wicked we all are for it. And yet he keeps reading them… Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/132 "2002-11-28T18:24:52Z")
You know, I thought **Ace** identified as a leftist. So why is it that he always seems to be defending those who believe opposite what he does? NOT that there’s anything wrong with that-but he seems to always take a perverse pleasure in defending ideas which he previously scorned. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/133 "2002-11-28T18:44:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > \*\*You said, To which I reply, Bolding is, of course, mine. “ **Would that it were true**.” Gosh, that sounds an awful lot as though you were saying you’d take great pleasure in it if we were, in fact, living a life of hypocrisy. Perhaps _you_ would care to explain? And while you’re at it, perhaps you could explain where you get the authority to speak for us regarding the personal details of our lives, or even where you got this tidbit of incorrect information? \*\* [/QUOTE] So… I am right after all… Joe\_Cool and JerseyDiamond are **FORNICATORS**. Wow. Those are some MIGHTY BIG STONES that you and your woman have been tossing in judging others, The thread title fits. You and your soon to be Stepford Wife are hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/134 "2002-11-28T19:08:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*You know, I thought **Ace** identified as a leftist. So why is it that he always seems to be defending those who believe opposite what he does? > > NOT that there’s anything wrong with that-but he seems to always take a perverse pleasure in defending ideas which he previously scorned. \*\* WAG: Because he’s met them IRL and enjoyed himself? Hey, make a better note of name changes, \*\* Ace.\*\* Welcome back. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/135 "2002-11-28T19:34:11Z")
BTW, Ace, I did not say “Only you can choose how pissed off people make you.” That’s a completely different comment than the one I actually made. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/136 "2002-11-28T19:41:57Z")
Okay, so who’d Ace used to be? ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/137 "2002-11-28T19:56:53Z")
As a Christian, I have to really agree with the OP. Someone who is divoced and lives as man and wife with someone else has absolutely no right to talk about homosexuals being unrepentant sinners. Scriptually, its the same thing. Personally, as a Christian, I dont condemn anybody. I’m not attracted to people of my sex, so that doesnt concern me, its between them and God. I’ve got freinds that are gay,and/or drink to excess, worship other gods(or none at all), vote republican, are divorced and remarry, all sorts of things that God may or may not have a problem with, but thats none of my business. I have plenty of sin of my own to worry about, if I were to start condemning people right and left for the few sinful things I dont do because then they would have a right to go after me for all the things I do. His4Ever etc. opened the door to this sort of crit. they brought it upon themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/138 "2002-11-28T20:04:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Okay, so who’d Ace used to be? \*\* I believe he was the far too briefly banned **Ace0Spades**. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/139 "2002-11-28T21:47:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bdgr \* > As a Christian, I have to really agree with the OP. Someone who is divoced and lives as man and wife with someone else has absolutely no right to talk about homosexuals being unrepentant sinners. Scriptually, its the same thing. Personally, as a Christian, I dont condemn anybody. Well that brings to another point that no one in this thread has bothered addressing. Which is, what are the actual beliefs of the various groups of Christians? I am aware that Catholics do not believe in divorce (at least officially - I’m unsure is, as a practical matter, there’s much difference between an annulment and a divorce) but what about the various other groups? Because if you went to a theologian of whatever group our worthy trio belong to, and he would say that for whatever reason or other they believe that divorce is fine and homosexual sex is not, then all charges of hypocracy are again baseless. All you can do is argue that the precepts of the religion are inconsistent with each other. From which vantage point you can disagree with the religion, which won’t mean a whole lot to you as most of you probably despise the religion anyway. But there’s no hypocracy involved. If I happen to belong to a religion which believes that X is fine for me and anyone else and Y is not fine for me or anyone else, I am treating everyone the same. It would only be hypocritical if I claimed that X is NOT fine until I was confronted with this situation myself at which point I suddenly came of with a reason to get around it. Haven’t seen that (with the possible exception of the H4E “burn with lust” argument). In sum, what we need is someone to clarify the actual teachings on divorce - either that it’s OK, in which case we have GD religion debate here. Or that it’s not OK in which case you might be able to yelp a bit (subject to my previous post above about actually condemning individuals as opposed to arguing principle). ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2002, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139/140 "2002-11-28T21:52:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IzzyR \* > **In sum, what we need is someone to clarify the actual teachings on divorce** It has been clarified. Fundamentalists like **JD** , **J\_C** and **H4E** say that the words of the bible are absolute law. The words of the bible say you get one marriage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-jerseydiamond-and-joe_cool-are-hypocrites/139139.md?page=8)