# His4Ever, why are you telling lies about your Deity? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 5, 2002, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922 "2002-10-05T02:27:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/1 "2002-10-05T02:27:24Z")
God does - indeed - work in mysterious ways, it seems. :d&r: ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/2 "2002-10-05T02:56:37Z")
Hey, the subject line pretty much says it all anyway. ---
**Author:** ![happyheathen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5e925/32.png) [@happyheathen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happyheathen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/3 "2002-10-05T03:09:25Z")
I give - how can one lie about one’s own deity? another “I know what God is, and you don’t” thread? original, really, really original… ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/4 "2002-10-05T03:09:25Z")
I suspect **Monty’s** OP included links to specific claims he wishes to challenge. ---
**Author:** ![happyheathen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5e925/32.png) [@happyheathen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happyheathen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/5 "2002-10-05T03:16:56Z")
or, this could get interesting - a Mormon calling out a Fundamentalist on Christian theology. rip-'n-read, time, folks… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/6 "2002-10-05T03:59:47Z")
Actually, what the OP had was a dissection of H4E’s gushing about Jack Chick’s newest disaster. ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/7 "2002-10-05T04:20:58Z")
Any chance of this getting restored? It sounded pretty promising… ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/8 "2002-10-05T13:52:43Z")
I was wondering when the Pit thread would appear. Er…“I agree with the OP”, whatever it was. 😃 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=137912](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=137912) > [@](#): > > _originally posted by His4ever:_ > \*\*Thanks for the link to the new chick tract. I liked it. I’m getting low, will probably order it next time I send in an order. Don’t think you guys are getting the real message here. You prefer to make fun and analyze to death but the plain truth is that anyone not knowing Christ as Savior will go to the lake of fire. It’s in the Word, for those who happen to believe what God says about it. That’s all I have to say. > > Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts4:12\*\* \<\< sigh \>\> Well, at least she’s being honest, Monty. She’s just here at the SDMB to preach at us, that’s all. She’s not interested in sharing her life in MPSIMS, or in finding out stuff in GQ, or in Cecil Adams and his particular brand of…whatever…, or in debating much of anything. She’s just here to tell sinners that they’re going to Hell. Just another One-Trick Pony, in other words. And we’ve had One-Trick Ponies before, and we’ll have them again, I suppose. At least she’s not preaching about circumcision. 😃 **His4ever** , are you by any chance affiliated with the Salvation Army? I’m reading _Blood and Fire_ by Roy Hattersley, which is a crackerjack biography of General Booth, and this was exactly the sort of thing the Salvation Army went in for, when they first got started. Hellfire and damnation, non-stop. So, are you? Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/9 "2002-10-05T13:55:13Z")
We never drink tea for they mix it with gin And one little sip and a man starts to sin Oh can you imagine a sorrier sight Than a man drinking water until he gets tight? Away, away with rum, by gum, With rum by gum, with rum by gum Away, away with rum, by gum, That’s the song of the Salvation Army! (Do you guys call it the Sally Ann in the States?) ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/10 "2002-10-05T15:28:47Z")
No, I’m not part of the Salvation Army. Just a simple Christian trying to share God’s truth. Guess I should probably do what it says in Matthew and shake the dust from my feet and move on, but don’t know if I’m ready to do that yet. **Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12** ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/11 "2002-10-05T15:38:49Z")
Was there something Pit-worthy in that other thread that I missed? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/12 "2002-10-05T15:56:38Z")
QUIT FEEDING THE FUCKING TROLLS ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/13 "2002-10-05T16:13:09Z")
She is not telling lies about her Diety. She is telling the absolute truth about her Diety and hers is a hateful, petty, spiteful Diety. I still kind of like **His4Ever** though. She really is trying to help in her own way. She’s a touch misguided is all. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/14 "2002-10-05T16:24:37Z")
The last freaking thing H4E is is honest. Let’s try this again. > [@](#): > > Thanks for the link to the new chick tract. I liked it. I’m getting low, will probably order it next time I send in an order. Of course you like it. Chick tossed truth, honesty, and decency out years ago in his endless tirades against people he hates. You hate the same people he does and automatically, without thinking about what you read, consider Chick’s rants and lies to be the Truth From God Almighty. > [@](#): > > Don’t think you guys are getting the real message here. Then you’re completely incapable of reading the written word. In the thread in question gobear (yet another person you hated before knowing him) displayed a far better understanding of the Bible than you possess. {Sorry, gobear; I realize that’s not saying much. Point of fact: gobear has an immense understanding of said tome.} > [@](#): > > You prefer to make fun and analyze to death It’s that spirit of discerning thing with which the Good Lord has endowed most of us (but apparently not you). > [@](#): > > but the plain truth is that anyone not knowing Christ as Savior will go to the lake of fire. Prove it. This time using scriptural texts _ **IN CONTEXT** _. The way I read that particular bit of Revelations is that it’s those who deceive (that would be your King, Jack Chick, and other liars) who are cast into said lake. > [@](#): > > It’s in the Word, Well, maybe it is and maybe it’s not. There’s a vast bit of difference of opinion on that. But since you have exactly zero opinions of your own, that’s irrelevant to you. > [@](#): > > for those who happen to believe what God says about it. Yet again, you display a complete ignorance of what Scripture says and how it applies. > [@](#): > > That’s all I have to say. “Say” or “Regurgitate” is the question. > [@](#): > > Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts4:12 Many have told you before that just chucking out verses of Scripture doesn’t constitute debate. Even someone with the intellect of a rock can grasp that in the time you’ve been here. You’ve consistently lied, condemned others, and just in general been a hateful snit to anyone who doesn’t have a lemming-like nature. You just now have decided that those of us who are capable of recognizing your lies for what they are must be rejecting God. That is so far from the truth, Satan himself is probably stunned. Matthew 14:10 discusses those who don’t listen to those who tell the truth about the Lord. You’ve yet to do that. Here’s what comes shortly before that verse: > [@](#): > > [sup]7[/sup]And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. [sup]8[/sup]Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devis: freely ye have received, freely give. I don’t see you saying jack (yep, I love puns) about the kingdom of heaven being at hand. I see you ranting and raving and condeming and just being an intolerant fibbing bigot. There is a wide difference between saying “The kingdom of heaven is at hand” and “You’re going to hell!” A final question for you: You, like so many of the intolerant who just happen to be Fundamentalists (not all Fundamentalists, just the intolerant ones like you) are barely literate and you worship a book which you display zero understanding of. Why? And why should those who are not Christian follow Jesus when you’re telling the lies you do? A bit of info regarding what happyheathen mentioned above: I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That means I am a Christian. And it doesn’t matter if you like it or not. It’s not your decision. One of the earlier intolerants like you who appeared on this board was ARG220. Another poster said (and I paraphrase) “It’s hilarious to hear you telling Monty he doesn’t understand the Scriptures when he knows far more about them than you.” I’ve dedicated a good portion of my life to understanding the Scriptures. That’s why I reject the trash Chick publishes. He’s a liar. And so are you, H4E. Telling the lies you tell and using the moniker “His” tells me that you don’t understand what the Bible says. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/15 "2002-10-05T16:30:41Z")
What _does_ Matthew say about baiting the heathen for sport? The Chick-related comments don’t exactly make you sound like someone whose primary interest is in saving our souls. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/16 "2002-10-05T16:36:21Z")
Jack: To whom are you addressing that posting? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/17 "2002-10-05T16:46:26Z")
Note to self: Do not mess with the Monty beast when he is on, for that way leads to destruction. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/18 "2002-10-05T16:52:41Z")
Well, **His4Ever** , have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior **and Lord**? If you have, why are you disobeying Him? It’s as simple as that. Every Christian on this board has stated outright at least two or three times – for many of us, a lot more than that – what His commandments are. You’re failing to honor even them. You are welcome to “shake the dust off your feet” in self-righteousness, but don’t make yourself into a martyr by saying, “I preached the Word and they didn’t listen.” You have not said one single word about the Good News of Christ. You’ve warned people about a vengeful, hate-filled god that intends to torture everybody here eternally. That doesn’t even match up with the Fundamentalist understanding of the God of the Bible, AFAIK. (Resident fundies? Check?) I’d hate to have you leave here, but if you’ll be willing to take my advice, whether or not you choose to leave, do a little soul-searching, and repent. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/19 "2002-10-05T16:55:54Z")
**Monty** , I was responding to this: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > **No, I’m not part of the Salvation Army. Just a simple Christian trying to share God’s truth. Guess I should probably do what it says in Matthew and shake the dust from my feet and move on, but don’t know if I’m ready to do that yet.** I’m on _your_\* side, fella, perverse as that sounds. \*i.e. Monty the Thunderer. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/20 "2002-10-05T16:59:06Z")
I thought so, Jack; however, we are dealing with the _illiterati_ so I figured a bit of over-the-top clarification from you might help. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922.md?page=2)