# His4Ever, why are you telling lies about your Deity? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 5, 2002, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922 "2002-10-05T02:27:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/341 "2002-12-19T15:46:14Z")
reprise: I believe that you got listed as the OP of this thread due to the board software “eating” my first posting in it. H4E: This comment of yours: > [@](#): > > That’s not the same as deliberately, defiantly living a life of sin. is one of the most laughable things you’ve ever posted on this particular board. It’s been shown to you that you’re currently going against the literal word of the Bible and that you’re doing it deliberately. Evidently, _according to your own words_, you’re “defiantly living a life of sin.” So, why exactly should any of us listen to a word you have to say about moral behaviour? Vanilla knows I disagree with her interpretation of Scripture and I know she disagrees with mine; however, we remain friends because I respect the way she came to her interpretation and she respects the way I came to my interpretation. You, on the other hand, have yet to come to a single conclusion of your own. Come to think of it, you really should be getting warnings for all the stuff you post here that you DON’T attribute to the people who actually said it. I actually do get a laugh out of you quoting someone else saying they’re quoting LDS material and then you posting that you’re quoting LDS material. You know why? Because it’s yet another lie from you. Regarding how to live your life to please Him: There’s a lovely poem which I can’t remember the title. The poem’s in a book entitled _The Best-loved Poems of the American People_. Here’s a quick run-down of what’s in it: [ul][li]Bedouin or Arab chieftain’s asleep in his tent and is awakened by an extremely bright light. The light is coming from an angel, writing in a book at a desk.[/li][li]The chieftain asks the angel what he’s writing and gets the response: “The names of all those who love the Lord.”[/li][li]The chieftan then asks, “Pray tell, angel, is my name among those?”[/li][li]The angel then leafs through the entire book, shakes his head, and says, “No, it appears not.”[/li][li]The chieftain then tells the angel, “Please, then, record my name as one of those who loves his fellow man.”[/li][li]The angel closes the book and disappears.[/li][li]The following night, the chieftan is awakened by the angel who shows the chieftain his name listed as the very first one in the book of those who love the Lord.[/ul][/li] My church has as one of its Articles of Faith: > [@](#): > > We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul–We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. Paul’s admonition is contained in 1 Corinthians 13:7: > [@](#): > > Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Here’s the quick run-down on you: You don’t love your fellow man and, therefore, you cannot really love the Lord according to the Bible. You refuse to learn about the people you hate and consequently latch onto anything you happen to hear that is not of good report about those whom you hate. Your ignorance is stunning. Your attachment to that ignorance is amazing. You lie constantly. You search the Scriptures for justification for your hate and consequently miss the most beautiful words contained in Holy Writ. In short, you are a liar, a bigot, and a hypocrite. Don’t like that description? Tough. Very many posters here have already informed you of how to make it so that description does not apply to you. Apparently, you are either too hateful or too lazy (maybe both) to take such action. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/342 "2002-12-19T15:50:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > It does not mean that you may point your finger at other people in condemntaion. IT’S NOT YOUR PLACE BECAUSE YOU, MADAM, ARE NOT GOD! gobear: Do you remember the _All in the Family_ episode where Archie’s freaking out when he finds out that Gloria had an affair? Edith tells him that it’s not his business & Archie replies, “It’s God’s business.” Edith looks him dead in the eye and tells him, “Then let God tend to it.” How much you willing to wager that H4E doesn’t get the lesson there? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/343 "2002-12-19T15:56:13Z")
I see she’s back to her standard cop-out: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by His4ever_ > Anyway, I don’t really have anything further to say. This is pointless, we’re not going to see eye to eye. And yet you keep saying it, don’t you? Here’s a hint: being deprived of your presence isn’t a punishment so threatening me with such deprivation does not scare me. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/344 "2002-12-19T16:23:57Z")
**His4Ever** I summarized an episode from the life of Christ when I referred to the woman at the well. You came in and directly contradicted what I said with verses from a completely different incident. When you were called on this behaviour, all you said was, “I see that I’m getting 2 incidents mixed up.” In other words, I said “The Bible says A.” and all you did was come back and say “No, it doesn’t,” apparently without even taking the trouble to see if what I said was true. Your defensive. Fair enough; I did attack you. I attacked you because you attack people for being Catholic/Mormon/Homosexual while ignoring the sinfulness of your own life. I also attacked you because of your notion that tax collectors no longer were tax collectors and prostitutes were no longer prostitutes. Instead of countering one of the other arguments I made, you did about the worst possible thing you could do which was cite scripture erroneously. I’m no expert on scripture, and I know there are people around here who are. That’s why before I mention anything in the Bible, I make _very_ sure it’s there and, if I’m citing chapter and verse, the chapter and verse are what I think they are. As an example, before getting into a debate on Christ’s actual birthdate, I re-read the Gospel accounts of his birth and was shocked to see that none of them mention lambs being present. ☹ Because I was looking for chapter and verse for the two incidents which you confused, I wound up getting into the business of the woman caught in adultery not being in the earliest versions of the Bible. I thought you might question that, knowing you believe in Biblical inerrancy, so that’s why I gave the cites I did. I would like you to say, “I was wrong to post what I did” and mean it, rather than just ducking the issue as usual. In my ideal world, I would have you think about the ramifications of those two passages and about the implications of the woman caught in adultery not being in the earliest manuscripts. Then again, in my ideal world, we also have world peace without violence, I have a wonderful job, and I’m married to a man who looks like Pierce Brosnan and thinks like a combination of a few friends of mine. 😉 **Vanilla** , if you’re interested, I can arrange for you to be married to his brother in this ideal world. For now, I’ll ask that you read all of 1 Corinthians 13 and 14, though I doubt you’ll take me up on it. Still, I’ll put 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 out there for all of us for now. > [@](#): > > I may speak in tongues of men or of angels, but if I am without love, I am a sounding gong or a clanging cymbal. I may have the gift of prophecy, and know every hidden truth; I may have faith strong enough tomove mountains; but if I have no love, I am nothing. I may dole out all I possess, or even give my body to be burnt,\* but if I have no love, I am none the better. > > Love is patient; love is kind and envies no one. Love is never boastful, nor conceited, nor rude; never selfish, not quick to take offense. Love keeps no score of wrongs; does not gloat over other men’s sins, but delights in truth. There is nothing love cannot face; there is no limit to its faith, its hope, and its endurance. > > Love will never come to an end. Are there prophets? their work will be over. Are there tongues of ecstasy? they will cease. Is there knowledge? it will vanish away; for our knowledge and our prophecy alike are partial, and the partial vanishes while wholeness comes. When I was a child, my speech, my outlook, and my thoughts were all childish. When I grew up, I had finished with childish things. Now we see only puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we shall see face to face. My knowledge now is partial; then it will be whole, like God’s knowledge of me. In a word, there are three things that last for ever: faith, hope and love, but the greatest of these is love. Typing these words from my Bible has forced me to meditate on them and acknowledge where I fall short. Just for openers, I think I may have been quick to take offense. Those of us who claim Christ as our Saviour, and anyone else who’s interested, may I dare to ask that you think about them as well? I’m not sure if I have that right. CJ ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/345 "2002-12-19T16:32:28Z")
**Monty**. The poem you referenced is called _Abou ben Adhem_ by Leigh Hunt. In reference to **H4E** ’s (non)responses, your _All in the Family_ quote is dead on. Actually, **H4E** reminds me of Diane Keaton’s standard response to people in _Annie Hall_: “La di da, la di da, la di da”. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Wen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Dr.Wen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Wen)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/346 "2002-12-19T16:43:51Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by reprise_ > This is very weird - I’m now showing up as the OP of this thread. Reprise, you should consider having the situation rectified, as being associated with merely the thread title casts an unfortunate light upon you. Although, in the big scheme of things it seems a small price to pay to have been spared from the OP. Upon reflection, I think this thread should have more appropriately been titled: “ **Monty, why are you telling lies about His4Ever’s Deity?** ” Oops, did I just call Monty a liar? Oh my, I believe I did. Having been trained at the Monty School of Logic and Reason does have its consequences. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/347 "2002-12-19T17:00:43Z")
Ummm, just out of curiosity, **Dr. Wen**. . . who _are_ you, and why do you have it in for **Monty**? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/348 "2002-12-19T17:29:02Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **His4ever** _ > > This is my last post in this particular thread. Oh, and we had _so_ hoped this would be true. ☹ Esprix ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/349 "2002-12-19T17:33:41Z")
**andros** , I was kinda wondering the same thing. I mean, of his 9 posts to date, 6 of them have been some sort of insult directed at **Monty**. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/350 "2002-12-19T17:51:11Z")
At least His4ever _tries_ to be good. No one else does. Well, no one except who she says. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/351 "2002-12-19T18:15:50Z")
> [@](#): > > At least His4ever tries to be good. No one else does. Well, no one except who she says. Actually, that’s not quite accurate. to date, **H4E** has not uttered on word on the nature of virtue, or the nature of good or evil. Instead, she has merely promoted adherence to a certain set of rules prescribed in a particular text. That is not virtue, that’s merely obedience. She has never addressed her duty to love her neighbor in fufillment of what Jesus called the second greatest commandment. Then again, asking **H4E** to participate in a discussion of moral philosophy is like asking someone with no legs to discuss tapdancing. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/352 "2002-12-19T18:19:03Z")
carrot: It’s only an insult if I value the source. “Dr. Wen” is evidently a source without value here. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/353 "2002-12-19T18:23:23Z")
gobear: I almost posted a reply to the same posting by Libertarian until I re-read it and realized that Lib made a very good point: His4 is a hypocrite. She has promoted adherence for everyone but her and a few select (dare I say it?) like-minded people to those rules. They get to ignore it, but the rest of us stand condemned by them. Kind of funny in that they’re the ones calling us LDS polytheists! BTW, a man without legs can discuss the aesthetics of tapdancing. I’d liken H4E to a man without legs, sight, touch, and hearing trying to discuss something he’s never seen, felt, or heard. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/354 "2002-12-19T22:14:53Z")
Gobear What she said was that there is a difference between trying to lead a good life but slipping up, and deliberately living a life of sin. My sarcasm was intended to illustrate the absurdity of her presumption that she is the former, and other people are the latter. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/355 "2002-12-19T23:32:03Z")
**His4Ever** , please come back into this thread and respond to some of these points, including the one I brought up in my last post on the previous page. If someone can accept Christ and then become a Christina, doesn’t that make Catholics, Mormons, AND homosexuals christians? ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/356 "2002-12-20T00:08:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\*Ummm, just out of curiosity, **Dr. Wen**. . . who _are_ you, and why do you have it in for **Monty**? \*\* I don’t know, I don’t care, and I don’t think it’s gonna be a problem any longer. Here’s a tip for all new posters…DON’T have just one agenda to post about. This means topics and other posters. Lynn For the Straight Dope ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/357 "2002-12-20T00:15:39Z")
vanilla: You know, do doubt, that she’s just going to say, “But the Christ that the Mormons and the Catholics accept isn’t the Christ of the Bible. It’s a false Christ.” She won’t provide any proof of her assertion, but if someone else does the legwork for her, dollars to donuts she’ll claim it as her own! To prepare myself for H4E’s eventual return to this thread, I shall go beat the other side of my head against a different wall. I try to keep everything in balance, of course. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/358 "2002-12-20T01:32:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\ ***His4Ever** , > please come back into this thread and respond to some of these points, including the one I brought up in my last post on the previous page. > If someone can accept Christ and then become a Christina, doesn’t that make Catholics, Mormons, AND homosexuals christians? \*\* I’ve sent you a private e mail, **Vanilla**. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/359 "2002-12-20T02:10:14Z")
See? Keeping things in balance appears to work. H4E returned, didn’t answer a single direct question, and has now created a lovely basis for George Carlin’s next routine. Remember his bit about “First Person Removed?” H4E is “First Person Perfect Presumptive Reflective (Removed).” ---
**Author:** ![Sdrawkcab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sdrawkcab](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sdrawkcab)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/360 "2002-12-20T02:26:06Z")
What about all the other people who have asked you questions, **His**? Your answer regarding the woman at the well was shown to be a bunch of ignorant jibberish. You owe them another, public, answer to their questions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922.md?page=19)