# His4Ever, why are you telling lies about your Deity? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 5, 2002, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922 "2002-10-05T02:27:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/401 "2002-12-23T14:42:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* Our first duty to the lost is to try to win them to Christ, then after they’ve come to him, correction and exhorting in love should be done if necessary. \*\* Do you then withhold love from those who have not “come to Christ”? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/402 "2002-12-23T15:36:05Z")
No. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/403 "2002-12-23T15:43:05Z")
Then when, on this Board, have you shown love to non-Christians, or even those who disagree with you? Telling people they are sinful is not perceived by them as love. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/404 "2002-12-23T16:14:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > The love chapter of the Bible doesn’t negate the rest of the Scripture. Really? Then why do you completely ignore it? I have yet to see any of the Love discussed in the Scriptures coming from you. Others have already pointed that out to you. So, I ask now: why do you ignore the Love mentioned there? > [@](#): > > Originally posted by His4ever\* > There has to be a balance between that and exhorting, reproving, and correcting. These things should be done out of love, but they should still be done. Believers to believers, that is. Here’s what I see in the Scriptures regarding that \ assertion: > [@](#): > > _D&C 64:10_ > I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men. > [@](#): > > Our first duty to the lost is to try to win them to Christ, then after they’ve come to him, correction and exhorting in love should be done if necessary. So, who do you think you are now? God the Father, God the Son, or Paul? Your first duty to EVERYONE is: > [@](#): > > Matthew 22 > [sup]37[/sup]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. > [sup]38[/sup]This is the first and great commandment. > [sup]39[/sup]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Not jack there about judging folks. Oh, wait…there is something in the New Testament about judging folks! > [@](#): > > John 5 > [sup]22[/sup]For the Father judgeth no man, but hat committed all judgment unto the Son. Pay especial attention to the following, please. I’m even putting it in bold for you. > [@](#): > > First Corinthians 5 > **[sup]13[/sup]But them that are without God judgeth.** > [@](#): > > James 4 > [sup]11[/sup]Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. > [sup]12[/sup]There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? Instead of telling us all we’re doomed, why don’t you just try living the Love that Jesus and his Apostles preached? Perhaps then, your _good example_ (as opposed to your current example) of God’s power in someone’s life might cause someone to be impressed. Now, I really am curious for an honest answer from you to the following questions: [ul][li]Have you read the entire Bible through?[/li][li]Have you tried to interpret it on your own?[/li][li]Do you have any theological grounding?[/li][li]Have you read any of the scriptures the faiths you condemn hold to be sacred?[/li][li]Do you know what a debate is?[/li][li]Do you know what logical fallacies are?[/li]Do you know what a lie is?[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/405 "2002-12-23T16:18:26Z")
Coding errors: [ol][li]Left out the initial italicize tag in one place (it’s obvious).[/li][quote] Our first duty to the lost is to try to win them to Christ, then after they’ve come to him, correction and exhorting in love should be done if necessary. [/quote] should be preceded by: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by His4ever_ [/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/406 "2002-12-23T17:19:02Z")
Is there any point in pitting His4Ever anymore? She refuses at times to acknowledge questions and doesn’t seem to give the answers anyone would want. She can’t even seem to open her mind the tiny crack it would require to consider the differing ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/407 "2002-12-23T17:56:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > The love chapter of the Bible doesn’t negate the rest of the Scripture. There has to be a balance between that and exhorting, reproving, and correcting. These things should be done out of love, but they should still be done. Believers to believers, that is. Our first duty to the lost is to try to win them to Christ, then after they’ve come to him, correction and exhorting in love should be done if necessary. Have you even read it? “In a word, there are three things that last for ever: faith, hope and love, but the greatest of these is love.” Love trumps faith. Your first duty is to love, then you worry about faith. Jesus said it himself, the two most important commandments are love God and love your neighbor. Not convert your neighbor, not condemn your neighbor and not judge your neighbor. _LOVE_ your neighbor. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/408 "2002-12-23T23:20:47Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Monty \* Now, I really am curious for an honest answer from you to the following questions: [ul][li]Have you read the entire Bible through?[/li][li]Have you tried to interpret it on your own?[/li][li]Do you have any theological grounding?[/li][li]Have you read any of the scriptures the faiths you condemn hold to be sacred?[/li][li]Do you know what a debate is?[/li][li]Do you know what logical fallacies are?[/li][li]Do you know what a lie is?[/ul] \*\*[/li][/QUOTE] Yes. Yes, and I’ve also read Christian books. God has answered some of my questions through Christian authors. I have no theological schooling No, the only reason I would do so is to compare to what the Bible says. I believe so. Not familiar with this term, I don’t consider the Bible to be a fallacy if that’s what you’re getting at. Yes. Don’t you think it’s time this thread was put to bed??? I’m done answering questions in this thread. My answers won’t please or satisfy you anyway. Merry Christmas. † ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/409 "2002-12-23T23:23:47Z")
Ladies and gentlemen, His4Ever! (applause ) She’ll be appearing on a message board near you soon! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/410 "2002-12-23T23:51:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes. Could’ve fooled me, what with your hit & run (and miss) style of quoting from it. > [@](#): > > Yes, and I’ve also read Christian books. God has answered some of my questions through Christian authors. In other words: No, you haven’t tried to interpret it on your own. > [@](#): > > I have no theological schooling No surprise that; however, you still deign to “teach” theology to the many people who actually do have some such grounding. > [@](#): > > No, the only reason I would do so is to compare to what the Bible says. Right. God forbid you actually read the stuff to see if what you’ve been told about those beliefs is true or to attempt to understand where those folks are coming from. Better to just judge them, hey? > [@](#): > > I believe so. If so, then try debating for real some time. > [@](#): > > Not familiar with this term, I don’t consider the Bible to be a fallacy if that’s what you’re getting at. Where TF did I assert the Bible’s a logical fallacy? Huh? Tell me! What I was getting at is was a question to you if you knew what constituted a fallacy in logical discourse, aka debate. > [@](#): > > Yes. Then you must know that you just lied again regarding my query about logical fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2002, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/411 "2002-12-23T23:59:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Then you must know that you just lied again regarding my query about logical fallacy. should be: > [@](#): > > Then you must know that you just lied again _to yourself_ regarding my query about logical fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/412 "2002-12-24T01:50:10Z")
But why do you still find it necesary to exhort, reprove and correct, after all of this and the pit threads? I have enjoyed some of these debates, but i do not need to come here to be told i am a hellbound sinner. Most of us have spent time in churches, enough to be told this at least twice. Why don’t you tell us what Jesus has helped you with?What has your church affiliation helped you with, that another branch of Christianity could not ? What do you hope to accomplish here, His4Ever? Whatever happened to “O tell to earth’s remotest bound, God is love!\*” \*Christmas Cover of the Salvation Army’s magazine War Cry. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/413 "2002-12-24T02:16:24Z")
I’m sorry to single you out, **anya marie**. Please understand I’m not intending this only to you. > [@](#): > > But why do you still find it necesary to exhort, reprove and correct, after all of this and the pit threads? Because other people continue to exhort, reprove, and correct her, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/414 "2002-12-24T02:26:43Z")
Good call Andros! I see now it was a bit stupid , but had to ask. Do you suppose she might have had better luck if she had not told us we are going to hell, straightaway, after her debut? ---
**Author:** ![Sdrawkcab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sdrawkcab](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sdrawkcab)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/415 "2002-12-24T03:10:29Z")
As far as I can see, people reprove and correct **His4Ever** because she is a _liar and a bigot_ who spreads very evil lies about Mormonism, Catholicism, liberal Christianity (ie, Christianity the way Christ would practice it) and homosexuals. She attacks these people, which thus justifies returning the favor to her. What has anyone on this board done to deserve the scurrilous attacks **HerOwn4ever** has launched across these forums? My God, she has another thread in the GD saying that its “traitorous” to show sympathy or kindness to people in need, unless you also tell “by the way, you’re a worthless fucking sinner whose gonna toast in the great fire pits of God’s hate unless you suck up to his petulent and irritable son, Jesus.” At least, that’s how her “gospel” comes across. I disagree with the “Biblical” teaching that womenfolk should be quiet and dare not teach anything to males. It’s mysoginistic and evil. However, in **His’** case, it makes a whole lot of sense. ---
**Author:** ![Sdrawkcab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sdrawkcab](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sdrawkcab)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/416 "2002-12-24T03:11:32Z")
BTW, Anya, good churches don’t need to scare people into faith by threatening them with “you’re a sinner and are going to go to Hell.” You can go to a good church your whole life and never see the pastor/minister/priest stoop to such a base and pathetic level to sell his wares. ---
**Author:** ![sundog66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@sundog66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sundog66)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/417 "2002-12-24T04:07:09Z")
Because of **His4Ever** ’s demeanor, I irrevocably renounce my faith in any deity. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/418 "2002-12-24T16:21:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > Not familiar with this term, I don’t consider the Bible to be a fallacy if that’s what you’re getting at. A logical fallacy is a piece of logic that is faulty. For example, if I say that because all sharks have teeth and live in the water, that because someone got bit by something in the water it must be a shark. I think…I just woke up, okay? Nobody told me I’d have to be thinking _this_ early… > [@](#): > > Don’t you think it’s time this thread was put to bed??? I’m done answering questions in this thread. My answers won’t please or satisfy you anyway. You new folks, just so you know: this is **His4ever** ’s “I’m leaving”. She’s said it several times in lots of threads and only then comes back for what is, to her, a witty reparte or what is commonly translated as “don’t you see I’m never going to learn?” She’ll be back yet. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/419 "2002-12-24T17:38:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > **Don’t you think it’s time this thread was put to bed??? I’m done answering questions in this thread. My answers won’t please or satisfy you anyway.** Please keep your promise for once. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922/420 "2002-12-24T22:19:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > She’ll be back yet. Well, of course. In this one thread she’s threatened to leave five times: [ul]10-05-2002 08:28 AM Guess I should probably do what it says in Matthew and shake the dust from my feet and move on, but don’t know if I’m ready to do that yet. 10-07-2002 06:13 PM Seriously thinking that I ought to leave you folks alone and move on. 10-08-2002 07:50 AM Goodbye. 10-11-2002 05:21 AM This is my last post in this particular thread. 12-19-2002 05:20 AM Anyway, I don’t really have anything further to say. This is pointless, we’re not going to see eye to eye.[/ul] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/his4ever-why-are-you-telling-lies-about-your-deity/130922.md?page=22)