# Hispanics in America shouldn't celebrate 4th of July this year? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 30, 2018, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040 "2018-06-30T09:31:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/1 "2018-06-30T09:31:20Z")
Has anybody heard this rumor? I’m seeing it on Twitter and random comments a lot but I don’t know if it’s an actual campaign to make a statement to not celebrate or random people just musing. I’m curious if there’s an actual movement going on but google is just giving me the same DON’T CELEBRATE 4TH OF JULY articles that pop up every single year. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/2 "2018-06-30T09:47:45Z")
This is the first I’m heard of any such claim; it sounds like something the Right would push as a slander. And doing so on "Twitter and random comments " is exactly their style. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/3 "2018-06-30T15:36:38Z")
Besides that statement, what exactly is the rumor being passed? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/4 "2018-06-30T15:47:04Z")
I’m British, and I plan to sulk all day. And if you touch my P.G.Tips teabags, there _will_ be retribution. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/5 "2018-06-30T17:24:05Z")
That does sound more like a right wing rumor. Maybe started by a few people who were genuinely talking about it, but not widespread. It definitely doesn’t correspond with how anyone I know feels about the situation. It’s not the entirety of America that is the problem, and it would not make sense to let the flag become the exclusively the symbol of those who are. Now kneeling when the flag is shown? That I could see. Coming with both an American flag and a flag representing your history? Sure. Having a multi-cultural celebration, to show that America still means all of us? Those sound more like the type of thing that would have widespread appeal. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/6 "2018-06-30T17:25:51Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > Has anybody heard this rumor? I’m seeing it on Twitter and random comments a lot but I don’t know if it’s an actual campaign to make a statement to not celebrate or random people just musing. > > I’m curious if there’s an actual movement going on but google is just giving me the same DON’T CELEBRATE 4TH OF JULY articles that pop up every single year. Living in a city 65% Hispanic and with my ear close to the political winds of San Antonio, no, this is not a thing. At all. At least, not here (he qualifies). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/7 "2018-06-30T18:20:28Z")
Why shouldn’t Hispanic celebrate the 4th of July? It’s their country too. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/8 "2018-06-30T21:06:33Z")
The more I’ve thought about it over the years, the less sense I think it makes for ANYBODY to celebrate this holiday. First of all, it is bizarre for people in some geographical region to define some perimeter around them and claim the right to repel other people on the basis that they were born or live on the other side of the perimeter. It’s bizarre that this idea was so popular that practically all the livable land on our entire planet has been divided up this way. Well, OK, so England expanded their perimeter, and then the people in the new region claimed they were separating from England, and won a war about the question. Are we celebrating that we are separate from England? Because right now, I’d feel better about being an English subject than I do about being an American citizen. I must be getting it wrong; the celebration must have been about killing English soldiers or something… I don’t know if Hispanic people have any particular movement going on, or if this is some ploy to sow division, but I can certainly sympathize with people who don’t get much of a vote or say in how we run things here, if they choose not to celebrate the independence of the people who do get to vote and say. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/9 "2018-06-30T22:00:40Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > I don’t know if Hispanic people have any particular movement going on, or if this is some ploy to sow division, but I can certainly sympathize with people who don’t get much of a vote or say in how we run things here, if they choose not to celebrate the independence of the people who do get to vote and say. That’s because you’re a decent person. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/10 "2018-06-30T22:57:30Z")
Meh, as you said, it’s a bunch of random comments on Twitter. I wouldn’t worry about it. You see all kinds of bullshit there. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/11 "2018-06-30T23:30:16Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Meh, as you said, it’s a bunch of random comments on Twitter. I wouldn’t worry about it. You see all kinds of bullshit there. Yeah, but how can you just ignore something when “people are saying it”? > [@Napier](#): > > I don’t know if Hispanic people have any particular movement going on, or if this is some ploy to sow division, but I can certainly sympathize with people who don’t get much of a vote or say in how we run things here, if they choose not to celebrate the independence of the people who do get to vote and say. Hispanic citizens don’t get to “vote and say”? And if you’re not a citizen, is it some peculiarly American phenomenon that you don’t get to vote? ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/12 "2018-07-01T02:32:22Z")
You mean hey’re just going to go to work as usual, on the fourth? Since I was in elementary school, the only way I ever celebrate the fourth was by not showing up at an office that was locked up for the day. I think the idea is pretty passe, for people to actually “celebrate” the origin of the several mandatory days off that employees are statutorily entitled to. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/13 "2018-07-01T06:09:16Z")
Ironic, considering Spain supplied aid to the United States and, as an ally of France, declared war on Britain during the Revolution. Spain played a role in helping us secure our independence. Hispanics should highlight and celebrate that fact, not boycott the festivities. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/14 "2018-07-01T06:38:51Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > Ironic, considering Spain supplied aid to the United States and, as an ally of France, declared war on Britain during the Revolution. Spain played a role in helping us secure our independence. Hispanics should highlight and celebrate that fact, not boycott the festivities. Not a single person has provided a bit of proof that this is a thing other than some rando comments on social media. Relax. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/15 "2018-07-01T08:15:33Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Not a single person has provided a bit of proof that this is a thing other than some rando comments on social media. Relax. I’m curious why you feel the need to tell me to relax? Does that post read like I am at all emotional or heated in any way? I never even said that this was a thing, that I believe the campaign exists or that I would care if it did. For the record, I’ve seen no mention of this boycott other than from the OP, nor would I care in any way or take it at all seriously if I had. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/16 "2018-07-01T10:18:49Z")
Almost every country in the world has some sort of national holiday for independence or something. People, even new immigrants to that country, celebrate it because… its fun. Now yes, I sometimes hear some grumbles from people of recent British descent when they discuss “down with the British” and movies like “The Patriot” are shown. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/17 "2018-07-01T11:58:15Z")
What does “not celebrating the Fourth of July” even mean? Not firing up the grill? No watermelon or corn-on-the-cob? No firecrackers? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/18 "2018-07-01T14:25:59Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > Ironic, considering Spain supplied aid to the United States and, as an ally of France, declared war on Britain during the Revolution. Spain played a role in helping us secure our independence. Hispanics should highlight and celebrate that fact, not boycott the festivities. Why should someone who is the descendent of people who were conquered and colonized by and then later liberated from Spain feel any loyalty to Spain? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/19 "2018-07-01T14:27:16Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Not firing up the grill? No watermelon or corn-on-the-cob? No firecrackers? You can do all those things, but you must not look like you’re enjoying yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040/20 "2018-07-01T14:31:33Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Why should someone who is the descendent of people who were conquered and colonized by and then later liberated from Spain feel any loyalty to Spain? Almost everyone is the descendant of both the conquerees and the conquerors, right? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hispanics-in-america-shouldnt-celebrate-4th-of-july-this-year/817040.md?page=2)