# Historical basis for the events of the Jewish Exodus **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [January 17, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759 "2009-01-17T17:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759/21 "2009-01-22T17:06:42Z")
Welcome to the SDMB, Rabbichaim. Since there is already an active thread in this forum on this subject, I’ll merge your thread with the earlier one. bibliophage moderator CCC ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759/22 "2009-01-22T20:14:50Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Who was the pharoh during this time? I unstand it was Ramses the 2d. .. I have found several references to [Thutmose I](http://www.truthnet.org/biblicalarcheology/5/Exodusarcheology.htm) being Pharoah although Wikipedia lists four possibilties: Neferhotep I\*, Thutmose I, Thutmose II, Thutmose III.[link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus) Those names are based on the [biblical dating](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Dating_the_Exodus) of the Exodus and the linked section includes the caveat: > [@](#): > > None seem likely candidates for the pharaoh of the Exodus as narrated in the Bible \*The section including the name of Neferhotep is flagged as needing citation. Interestingly enough, the page on [Ramesses II](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rameses_II) includes the comment > [@](#): > > Today he is often believed to have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus.[7] yet he is not included in the discussion of the Exodus story. ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759/23 "2009-01-22T21:18:24Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Good golly you weren’t joking about Fomenko if [this article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Timofeevich_Fomenko) and [this one](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)) are even remotely accurate. It does sound like he’s good for a few laughs though. Problem is, I gather his nonsense is about as popular in Russia as Creationism is in the USA. The combination of a wounded, dismembered, and insulted nation, a failed economy, and a paranoid theory of history has led to mass bloodshed within living memory. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759/24 "2009-01-23T03:38:55Z")
Whoa! I wish I read Russian, because I feel a need to subscribe to Fomenko’s newsletter. Double whoa! Dude’s been published, and not on his own dime! However, I’m interested in **Rabbichaim** ’s claims. Kinda wish he’d posted them to Great Debates, where they’d get more views and comments, but leave it to a newbie to post in the correct forum. (pause) No, I’m supposed to be SURPRISED a new gentleman posts in the correct forum, aren’t I? 😃 Really, I look forward to this discussion continuing. Fomenko and Velikovsky? They’re loads of fun\*, but it’s limiting if everybody agrees that they’re nuts. - - A total lie, at least with Velikovsky. I’ve read _Worlds in Collision_ and _Oedipus and Akhnaton_, and he managed to outdo Philip Wylie and Edwin Balmer in making planetary collisions dull. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759/25 "2009-01-23T03:45:17Z")
> [@titanamvolant](#): > > I actually think more along the lines that Jesus is a personification of the sun gods of the time. With the resurection of the sun events arround the 25th. An awful lot of signs point to that, don’t they? And imagine that you’ve apologized for your English for the last time here. We understood you fine. (sigh) Isn’t that liberating? 🙂 Your challenge is to understand OUR English. To say some of us murder it is a kind understatement. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759/26 "2009-01-23T04:25:13Z")
Pssst! **Rabbichaim**! Don’t tell anybody I suggested this, but repost you assertions in Great Debates. Rephrase some words so nobody can accuse you of a “doublepost.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759/27 "2009-01-23T12:52:59Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > I have found several references to [Thutmose I](http://www.truthnet.org/biblicalarcheology/5/Exodusarcheology.htm) being Pharoah although Wikipedia lists four possibilties: Neferhotep I\*, Thutmose I, Thutmose II, Thutmose III.[link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus) > Those names are based on the [biblical dating](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Dating_the_Exodus) of the Exodus and the linked section includes the caveat: > > \*The section including the name of Neferhotep is flagged as needing citation. > > Interestingly enough, the page on [Ramesses II](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rameses_II) includes the comment yet he is not included in the discussion of the Exodus story. Archeologists have found the tomb of Ramses the 2d and he didn’t drown in the Red Sea, also they state they have found evidence of small groups that lived in the desert during that period, but no large groups. The question remains why would anyone stay in the desert for that length of time when they could have gotten out sooner and to safety in another land? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759/28 "2009-01-23T14:47:33Z")
I am no fan of velikovsky, but there may be something to his thesis of “scrambled history” with regard to the Exodus. First, Abraham moves from UR, and settles in caanaan-and founds the Israeli nation. later, the Israelites move (en masse) to Egypt-where they are neslaved! Then, Moses leads them out of Egypt, and back to Caanaan-the place they left! Is not not reasonable that the writers of Exodus confused things a bit? They may actually be confusing the migration out of UR with the Exodus from Egypt. that would explain why the leaders of the Exodus (Moses, Aaaron0 thought that Caaanaan was a new place. The same confusion applies to the Egyptians-they do not say where the "land of Punt"was-yeat “Punt” was probabaly the land next to Egypt (Caanaan). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/historical-basis-for-the-events-of-the-jewish-exodus/481759.md?page=1)