Hitler's Alternate Universe

You don’t think Hitler lied about the Jews? Practically everything he ever said about the Jews was a lie!

And if you can’t trust Hitler, who can you trust?

Earlier in this thread, you stated that Hitler was “insane”.

Is that because he believed in a greater “Jewish Conspiracy”?

Do you think 9/11 “truthers”, or those that believe that the moon landing was a hoax are insane?

Go back to Stormfront. You’re making a fool out of yourself here.

The man was deluded, stupid, obsessed and power hungry…not to mention bat shit crazy. Yeah, can’t think of any reason he’d have to lie in a document he felt was his manifesto to spin things to his own twisted view point. :stuck_out_tongue:

?? Tajiks are not slavs. And the “zagradotryady” - the blocking brigades that shot those who would retreat - were there for Tajiks, Russians, Ukrainians, whatever.

This is a personal attack, so it’s not appropriate for this forum. Please don’t do it again.

Some of them are, yes. Others are ignorant. I think that covers everybody who believes in that kind of stuff, but maybe there’s some exception I haven’t thought of. Anyway I was not judging Hitler solely on his conspiracy theories about devious subhuman Jews who run the banks, although that’s pretty crazy by itself. Add in the sum total of his other beliefs and his behavior and you plainly have someone who was batshit fucking crazy. On top of the prejudiced background I mentioned earlier he came from a screwed up family, had a traumatic childhood, experienced frustration and failure as a young adult, and was horribly scarred by World War I. He’s not the only person to go through something like that, but it’s hardly surprising that someone with those kinds of experiences would have severe psychological problems. The horrifying part is that someone with all of that craziness managed to fit the popular moment so perfectly that he wound up running a country and then leading it on a murder spree (and when that failed, suicide).

This is why I have trouble accepting the “he was just fucking loony” description or explaination of Hitler and his motivations and beliefs. To me, it sounds too “easy” and dismissive to leave it at that.

Do you believe that the thousands of Germans [that helped make his rise to power happen] somehow didn’t notice or mind that they elected a crazy man to highest office?

I think that by 1945, with the stress of his political & military failures, the attempted assasinations on his life (which left him partially impaired), and his failing health and drug addiction broke the man emotionally & pyscologically. But I don’t think he was insane in 1941. Evil, and with a lot of incorrect world view-assumptions, yes, but not “cookoo for coco-puffs”.

We are versatile. :smiley:

Or, how about Christians, is doesn’t get much crazier than that, so are all Christians insane? No. Ignorant? No.

Irrational beliefs seem to be the norm, they are a mystery to me.

The world, and the human mind, are a little more complex than you’re giving them credit for.

What’s the point here? He didn’t say everyone with international beliefs is crazy- he said Hitler was, and so are some others (but not all) who buy into conspiracy theories.

If everybody is crazy, who decides who is sane? A lot of what he was saying suited the prejudices and beliefs of the period, so it didn’t seem so crazy. A lot of Germans believed they were being screwed by the Treaty of Versailles and believed (even if it was just nationalist vanity) in the double cross. Antisemitism isn’t exactly unique to Germany. And the state of affairs in the country was pretty dire at the time, so really: how crazy did he seem? Then you add in some other factors like opportunism - people who got involved with him because they thought they could use him to their ends - and it’s not so unbelievable. The fact remains that the Final Solution and his plans were really crazy. He believed he was doomed to die early, and that’s one of the reasons he acted so aggressively. He thought he had a limited time to establish with Aryan kingdom. And like I was saying earlier, the Holocaust was completely self-sabotaging to Germany in terms of the war. They were attacking multiple countries at the same time they were rounding up, tormenting, and murdering people (some of whom could have helped his war effort) on an industrial scale. The horrific nature of the genocide speaks for itself, but apart from that it was an abysmal use of Germany’s resources while it was fighting multiple wars.

I think this thread has already covered the crazy things he was doing before that. And I’m not sure how much difference there is between me calling him crazy and you calling him evil. He didn’t decide to be evil any more than he decided to be crazy.

I think I hurt someone’s feelings. Don’t blame me, Gack. ZOG made me do it.

Doesn’t the rest of your OP totally contradict this sentence?

Strikes two and three. Yer out!

Well, yes, I will stipulate that the parasitic wealthy financier is a real thing. But that class is not coextensive with Jews, and Hitler’s race theory allowed Gentile financiers to pretend to be the good guys by funding his party and its persecution of “evil Jews.”

Your post is to me, I assume.

Well, in the opinion of many here, evidently. I’ve been away with keyboard problems and will endeavor pick up my end of the conversation. Hmm. we’re in GB now.

Aloha

What contradicts the rest of my OP is the general refusal of just about everyone here to address the following. (there will be more)

It was addressed: people pointed out it was premised on a bunch of incorrect statements.

Why would a racist, in a book that’s intended to convince other people to be racist, lie about the people he’s racist against?

Shit, buddy, you got me stumped on that one.