# Hitler's eventual plan **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [May 31, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969 "2004-05-31T22:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/41 "2012-09-25T12:19:41Z")
> [@xash](#): > > **Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor** , this is GQ. You’ve done this before. Do not do this again, or you will be banned. > > You have been warned. > > - **xash** > General Questions Moderator Just amused that, as of the above date, **Bosda Di’Chi** was one more warning away from being banned, yet he is still here 8 years later, and presumably in good standing. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/42 "2012-09-25T14:49:55Z")
> [@David\_Simmons](#): > > He didn’t have any long range plans for the US. He didn’t have any long range plans for anywhere else, either. He had a bunch of nutcase ideas along the lines of “wouldn’t it be awesome if…” and “when I am Fuhrer Of The Universe I shall…” and a bunch of short-term tactical gambles, but no kind of proper long-term strategy other than hating Jews, Slavs, people with more style than him, people who could eat pastries without getting indigestion, and so on and so forth. Hence the spectacular success of the Thousand-Year Reich - wheels coming off the wagon three years after the first shots were fired, dead and buried in six. > [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > It is possible to _miss_ locating a carrier, but not to _hide_ it. Peculiar, then, that one can find [here](http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-031.htm) a detailed account of doing exactly that with a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in 1982, just off the soviet coastline. It’s almost as if an aircraft carrier was some sort of massively powerful but fragile ocean-dominating weapon system that could be put out of action for months by a single-engined aircraft hitting it with one bomb in the right spot and therefore lurked about so it could guarantee landing a knockout punch first - can’t think why. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/43 "2012-09-25T15:00:31Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Just amused that, as of the above date, **Bosda Di’Chi** was one more warning away from being banned, yet he is still here 8 years later, and presumably in good standing. For a minute I was excited to see **Tuckerfan** until I realized it was a zombie thread. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/44 "2012-09-25T15:24:13Z")
I didn’t notice this was a zombie thread, either. Can anyone tell me how World War II ended? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/45 "2012-09-25T15:28:26Z")
It was _soooo_ cliche. Believe me , it’s not worth watching again. Though Eva Braun was kinda hot, in a kind of husky Germanic way. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/46 "2012-09-25T15:46:07Z")
[The Brain]The same plan he had \*every \*night. _Try To Take Over The World_[/The Brain] ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/47 "2012-09-25T16:31:08Z")
(I know this is a zombie.) One thing to remember is that the US Army was small in 1939 (ranked 17th world wide), with less than 200,000 men on active duty. The average citizen was very isolationist, as well. I presume that in 1939, Hitler did not think much of the US or it’s Army. By December of 1941, I think Hitler was hoping that after declaring war on the US, Japan would reciprocate with a DoW on the Soviet Union (his drive on Moscow had stalled out, and the Soviets were beginning to launch counterattacks). Hitler’s military planners totaly underestimated the size of the Soviet military, and the size of it’s mobilization potential. It’s quite possible that those same planners underestimated the mobilization potential of the US military, as well as it’s industry. In short, I don’t think the German’s had realistic long range plans for dealing with a long war against anyone. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/48 "2012-09-25T16:32:05Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Can anyone tell me how World War II ended? three-two on penalties after extra time. 25 million players were sent off and no rematches have been held due to worries about crowd trouble among the home supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/49 "2012-09-25T18:40:55Z")
> [@tazjet](#): > > Rudolf Hess flew to Scotland in May 1941 trying to revive the Sumner Welles peace proposals. What, he wasn’t delivering plans on the Nazi A-bomb? How many more half decade or older zombie threads about Hitler do you plan on bumping to advance bizarre conspiracy theories with by the way? I think this is number 4. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/50 "2012-09-25T19:14:00Z")
> [@suecarina](#): > > The more I study, the less I seem to know. I have come to think of myself as someone who knows something about history, but sometimes facts become blurred and the memory fades. For example, when I think about WWII and Hitler’s perception of the US in regards to his ultimate plans, I somehow came to believe that Hitler thought the US would not be a difficult defeat after Europe came under his control. My bf seems to think that Hitler never had any real plans/ideas about defeating the US and that his plans were to remain in control of Europe (and some of Africa). What did Hitler think of the US ,ilitarily, and should the US have been fearful that Hitler might try to defeat them after he was done in Europe? Basically, what I am trying to understand is if the US went in to protect Europe or to stop Hitler before they became an immediate threat to the US. None of the above. Germany and Japan were allies. After the US declared war against Japan, Germany was obligated to assist Japan by the terms of the alliance. Hitler never planned any kind of invasion of the US. he expected the European war to be over within a year or two, and that the US would be occupied fighting the Japanese for at least that long. Once Russia was defeated, and England forced into a some kind of settlement, the US would be forced to go along. And, if it didn’t, Germany’s position would be unassailable, so it wouldn’t matter in any event. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/51 "2012-09-25T19:49:06Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > None of the above. Germany and Japan were allies. After the US declared war against Japan, Germany was obligated to assist Japan by the terms of the alliance. From what I recall, this is not actually the case: the treaty with Japan only required Germany to declare war if Japan was _attacked_, not assist Japan in attacking others. The Tripartite Pact: > **[Tripartite Pact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact)** > > The Tripartite Pact, also known as the Berlin Pact, was an agreement between Germany, Italy, and Japan signed in Berlin on 27 September 1940 by, respectively, Joachim von Ribbentrop, Galeazzo Ciano, and Saburō Kurusu (in that order) and in the presence of Adolf Hitler. It was a defensive military alliance that was eventually joined by Hungary (20 November 1940), Romania (23 November 1940), Slovakia (24 November 1940), Bulgaria (1 March 1941), and Yugoslavia (25 March 1941). Yugoslavia's access Th... Hitler’s decision was off-the-cuff, not required by treaty (not that Nazi Germany was exactly in the business of honouring treaties to begin with!) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969/52 "2012-09-25T20:25:15Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > In short, I don’t think the German’s had realistic long range plans for dealing with a long war against anyone. I once read a quip that I think was very true: Hitler could make plans for ninety days in the future or fifty years in the future but nothing in between. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hitlers-eventual-plan/247969.md?page=2)