# hmmm gay marriage is legal today...listen **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 12, 2005, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hmmm-gay-marriage-is-legal-today-listen/307912 "2005-06-12T01:30:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wez\_nilez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wez\_nilez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wez_nilez)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hmmm-gay-marriage-is-legal-today-listen/307912/1 "2005-06-12T01:30:23Z")
I was thinking about this and its 100 fact a genetic male can marry a genetic male if the male gets a operation to become a physical woman but even if physically he appears to be a woman genetically hes still a male IE transgendered males to females and females to males so if this is the case why can a normal male and another normal male marry in a way its legal right now…and can someone who is genetically both a male and a female marry either a male or female? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hmmm-gay-marriage-is-legal-today-listen/307912/2 "2005-06-12T01:44:48Z")
He/she can. It’s legal in at least two states – Kansas and Texas. Texas law says you are legally the sex you were born. Therefore, someone born male could get a sex change operation and then marry a woman. Even though the couple would appear to be two females, Texas recognizes it as a legal marriage. It looks like there are a handful of people who have used this loophole. See [http://www.slate.com/id/2096495](http://www.slate.com/id/2096495) for an article on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hmmm-gay-marriage-is-legal-today-listen/307912/3 "2005-06-12T03:35:00Z")
LOL, one of the many paradoxes of gender. Just the other day I was forwarded mail from a transwoman that indulges in this particularly delicious irony… > [@](#): > > I sent a letter to Franklin County’s (Columbus’) infamous Judge Lawrence Belskis, bigot extraordinaire and arch enemy to Central Ohio’s transgender community. I had warned him that the courts’ continuing to @#$% with us re personal documentation will lead to the legalization of same-sex marriage and outlawing of opposite-sex marriage fortranssexuals. I couldn’t resist congratulating him and slipping in an “I told ya’ so” dig when he had the uncomfortable _duty_ of _having_ to marry an MtF TS and a GG lesbian woman. I was rolling on the floor with laughter when I read the article about it! Payback is sweet, sometimes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hmmm-gay-marriage-is-legal-today-listen/307912/4 "2005-06-12T03:52:18Z")
Makes me wonder how these laws affect intersexuals? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hmmm-gay-marriage-is-legal-today-listen/307912/5 "2005-06-13T01:17:02Z")
Badly, a lot of the time. Since intersex people can be assigned more or less arbitrarily to a legal gender at birth, particularly when the physicians are not acquainted with the preferred standards of care for intersex conditions, many intersex people have ended up with legal gender completely at odds with their gender of identification, and even physical sex after surgery later in life. In districts in which legal gender cannot be changed, such people are often out of luck.