# Hoaxing Social Justice Warrior - Gay Austin Pastor Jordan Brown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 17, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007 "2016-05-17T16:13:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/41 "2016-05-18T06:27:43Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > He is a preacher. Lying to people is what he does for a living. I can never figure out how two preachers can pass each other on the street without laughing. That’s got to be the hardest part of the job. Well, that and having to work on Sunday. Bill, we’re all thinking it, but you’re not supposed to say it out loud. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/42 "2016-05-18T07:17:39Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Pursuing it at this point doesn’t really get them anything. Everyone knows it’s a hoax, why spend money on legal bills to get an admission? The guy is judgment-proof; Whole Foods certainly isn’t going to get any damages from him. > [@Velocity](#): > > How is that judgment-proof? If Brown admitted wrongdoing, wouldn’t that make it all the easier for Whole Foods to get money ? “Judgement-proof” doesn’t mean that he can’t have a judgement entered against him. It means the winning party has no way to collect any judgement entered against him. tl:dr version – _What_ money? He probably doesn’t have enough to pay for the process server to hand him a dunning notice. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/43 "2016-05-18T10:55:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Jordan Brown perhaps felt he was telling a higher truth. If the only way you can ‘tell a higher truth’ is thru deceit and fraud, then perhaps you need to reconsider this ‘higher truth’. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/44 "2016-05-18T13:00:35Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > How is that judgment-proof? If Brown admitted wrongdoing, wouldn’t that make it all the easier for Whole Foods to get money ? He’s judgment-proof because he doesn’t _have_ any money. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/45 "2016-05-18T13:52:44Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > He’s judgment-proof because he doesn’t _have_ any money. I see. But I thought judgements could apply to the future - i.e, “You’re broke now, but if you make money in the future then you owe the plaintiff $50,000.” ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/46 "2016-05-18T13:54:37Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > So what motivates these social justice warriors to carry out hoax cases like these? > [@Miller](#): > > I don’t know why we need to speculate about motives or mental illness, or Münchausen syndrome. > [@Omar\_Little](#): > > In attempting to publicize a political agenda and garner media attention for your cause, press conferences are a regular occurrence. > [@Miller](#): > > It would also be useful in encouraging the multimillion dollar company to cut you a bigger check, and faster, so you shut up sooner. You seem to believe that it is only a cash grab. I think it could be political agenda driven. Who knows? Only Mr. Brown. But it goes back to the OP question. Which is still a question, despite your dismissal. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/47 "2016-05-18T13:54:47Z")
> [@simster](#): > > If the only way you can ‘tell a higher truth’ is thru deceit and fraud, then perhaps you need to reconsider this ‘higher truth’. Well of course. But like pro-life activists who lie for their cause, or animal rights activists who lie for theirs, or any number of examples, it’s possible that Pastor Dumbfuck here _thought_ the deceit and (attempted) fraud were worth it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/48 "2016-05-18T14:25:45Z")
[QUOTE=Not Carlson] You have used this exact phrase recently in another thread, to imply that someone was lying to push a liberal agenda. (My interpretation, not Bricker’s actual words.) Are you actually trying to make an objective hypothesis on a possible motive behind the actions of this one individual, or are you trying to paint some sort of broader picture? [/quote] He’s been spending a lot of time in his basement laboratory cooking up gotchas. Judging from the foul smells, sounds of breaking glass, cursing and incantations in what sounds like Latin, it’s clear that he’s on the cusp of a great discovery: the philosopher’s stone of liberal hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Me\_Billy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Me\_Billy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Me_Billy)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/49 "2016-05-18T14:35:12Z")
I love these cameras. But dumb criminals still do not seem to understand THEY WILL BE CAUGHT! (DUH!) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/50 "2016-05-18T14:43:07Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I see. But I thought judgements could apply to the future - i.e, “You’re broke now, but if you make money in the future then you owe the plaintiff $50,000.” Technically true, but if you really get hit with a big judgment you can’t pay, you can discharge it in bankruptcy. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/51 "2016-05-18T14:44:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Some of these hoaxers may simply crave attention, and need some counselling to figure out what’s wrong with them. > > Until they do, I think it’s fair to call them assholes though. > > We often treat those who levy false accusations too kindly I think. Perhaps an example needs to be made to discourage others. Indeed. What they do is equivalent to prank-calling 911, or pulling a fire alarm. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/52 "2016-05-18T15:12:06Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > (Bolding mine.) > You have used this exact phrase recently [in another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19327274&postcount=51), to imply that someone was lying to push a liberal agenda. (My interpretation, not Bricker’s actual words.) > Are you actually trying to make an objective hypothesis on a possible motive behind the actions of this one individual, or are you trying to paint some sort of broader picture? > > Whether for attention or money, what Brown did was reprehensible. At the least, it could have gotten an innocent person fired. At worst, it could fuel anti-gay prejudice. Brown’s actions do not represent any kind of truth. He is a liar and a very selfish and/or irresponsible person. No broader picture. I think that Brown’s motive was, at least in part, to highlight the very real issues of social discrimination that exist. Frustratingly, he was not actually at the center of any of them, so he decided to manufacture one. Now, that speaks to his desire to be the center of attention, to be sure, and it was foolish and reprehensible because of the innocent victims of his accusation and for the other reasons you mention. But surely you acknowledge that at some level, he was trying to help – that is, he saw himself on the side of the angels, even though objectively, his tactics removed him from that side decisively. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/53 "2016-05-18T15:31:04Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > It’s like Munchausen syndrome but with social issues instead of poisoning their relatives. Their relatives would be Munchausen by proxy, people who have Munchausen fake or cause illnesses upon _themselves_. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/54 "2016-05-18T15:33:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But surely you acknowledge that at some level, he was trying to help – that is, he saw himself on the side of the angels, even though objectively, his tactics removed him from that side decisively. Well, maybe. I certainly think it’s a possibility. But it’s impossible to know for sure; he might have been motivated solely or primarily by a need for attention or gain. I’m not sure it’s possible to separate out the two. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/55 "2016-05-18T16:14:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No broader picture. I think that Brown’s motive was, at least in part, to highlight the very real issues of social discrimination that exist. Frustratingly, he was not actually at the center of any of them, so he decided to manufacture one. Now, that speaks to his desire to be the center of attention, to be sure, and it was foolish and reprehensible because of the innocent victims of his accusation and for the other reasons you mention. Okay. All well and good then, and sorry for my suspicion. > [@](#): > > But surely you acknowledge that at some level, he was trying to help – that is, he saw himself on the side of the angels, even though objectively, his tactics removed him from that side decisively. I can’t be sure whether he thought he was doing it for a good cause or whether he was motivated by purely selfish reasons, but I am inclined very strongly to believe the latter. Even if he had convinced himself that he would somehow be helping a greater cause through his lying and slandering, I suspect the underlying motivation was not “this will help people” but “by doing this, I will be seen to be a champion of justice.” So, ultimately selfish. Even if not malicious, his stunt was grossly irresponsible and harmful. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/56 "2016-05-18T16:38:36Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Well of course. But like pro-life activists who lie for their cause, or animal rights activists who lie for theirs, or any number of examples, it’s possible that Pastor Dumbfuck here _thought_ the deceit and (attempted) fraud were worth it. The only difference I will make here is that - by and large - pro-life/peta folks actually believe their own rhetoric. THis guy manufactured it entirely (for his own case - not that there are not real cases out there). This is the same as the dumbfuck pro-life people that set up PP with the ‘selling baby parts’ - they also knew they were manufacturing the ‘higher truth’ - I give a pass to those that believe them (until they are shown it was manufactured) - but none to those that create it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/57 "2016-05-18T17:09:47Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Okay. All well and good then, and sorry for my suspicion. > I can’t be sure whether he thought he was doing it for a good cause or whether he was motivated by purely selfish reasons, but I am inclined very strongly to believe the latter. > Even if he had convinced himself that he would somehow be helping a greater cause through his lying and slandering, I suspect the underlying motivation was not “this will help people” but “by doing this, I will be seen to be a champion of justice.” So, ultimately selfish. > > Even if not malicious, his stunt was grossly irresponsible and harmful. No argument as to “grossly irresponsible and harmful.” But I think the other discussion reaches into the classic paradox regarding selflessness: at some level, one could argue that ANY act that appears to be selfless is merely aggrandizing, or for some other end that benefits the doer, even if it’s “I feel good when helping others.” We change a flat tire in the rain for some poor stranded old lady because we feel better when we do and worse at the thought of leaving her stranded, so in a sense, we change it for our sake, not hers. In the end, it’s not possible to unravel Brown’s inner thoughts, but I am reasonably certain in his own mind, as he started the deception, he was being a hero. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/58 "2016-05-18T17:20:06Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I see. But I thought judgements could apply to the future - i.e, “You’re broke now, but if you make money in the future then you owe the plaintiff $50,000.” “Judgment- proof” doesn’t mean you can’t get a judgment against a person. Being judgment proof is not a defense, so Whole Foods can sue this guy and get a judgment against him even if he is “judgment-proof”. It’s more of an evaluation of whether it’s worth the bother, because there are costs to suing and getting the judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/59 "2016-05-18T17:25:32Z")
Whole Foods already gets everything they want. The whole world knows they didn’t do the thing, the preacher is loudly and widely discredited, and they get lots of positive publicity. They could sue, sure, but they’re still out court costs since there’s no way the guy can actually pay them back. Nothing to gain by going through with the suit. The guy’s a nobody and his fifteen minutes of fame are already over. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007/60 "2016-05-18T17:40:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I see. But I thought judgements could apply to the future - i.e, “You’re broke now, but if you make money in the future then you owe the plaintiff $50,000.” Sure, in theory Whole Foods could proceed with their suit and get a judgment and at some later point, if Pastor Dumbfuck gets a job, they could move to garnish his wages or whatever. But what would be the point? Whole Foods is a big company, and the actual damage they have suffered here is comparatively slight. Dumbfuck is one (possibly mental) guy, who has already publicly admitted the whole thing is made up. It’s simply not worth it for WF to spend any more time or money going after this guy. It would be an irrational use of their resources. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoaxing-social-justice-warrior-gay-austin-pastor-jordan-brown/755007.md?page=4)