# Hofstra (Fake) Gang Rape Claims **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 19, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719 "2009-09-19T16:33:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/41 "2009-09-22T03:32:32Z")
Okay, that I read, but I’m just not sure where the “clean up and take a shower” comes in. If she’d been wearing her shoes, would he have assumed she hadn’t been having sex? I mean, what does “hot sex” look like? ---
**Author:** ![Lunchy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Lunchy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lunchy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/42 "2009-09-22T06:56:33Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Okay, that I read, but I’m just not sure where the “clean up and take a shower” comes in. If she’d been wearing her shoes, would he have assumed she hadn’t been having sex? I mean, what does “hot sex” look like? Possible matted hair, also ‘hot sex’ as you refer to it, may also employ one of the other senses , i.e. smell! Trust me, ive caught a few g/f that had previously cheated due to my keen sense of smell! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/43 "2009-09-22T12:15:12Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > After spending a little quality time with Google, I came up with a plausible explanation of why she’d have a spontaneous orgy and then claim rape…seems she has a boyfriend, who started asking her questions about this encounter. She claimed rape. Now, I can believe that this could be the reason and cause of all the problems. She didn’t want to tell her boyfriend that she partied with five strange men, and made up the rape claim to justify her behavior. > > Of course, if she falsely accused anyone of rape, then it was despicable. This explanation seems to be borne out by the article posted by **Race Harley**. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/44 "2009-09-22T15:15:19Z")
That seems to be it. I do get the sense from all this that there’s this real need to infantalize women. I was reading this (sigh, Cosmo) article about things you should do to keep safe and they include the buddy system–and if your friend decides to go off with a strange guy she meets at the bar, you should try to nag her and tell you you didn’t agree to do this and that in the light of day she’ll thank you. In addition, there was that article I read where the guys were condemned for having group sex–apparently any drunk woman who professes a desire to have an orgy needs to be escorted home and left in the care of another woman. But a guy who wants to go forth with sex? Well, he’s clearly an animal. Is anyone else bothered by this? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/45 "2009-09-22T15:25:57Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > That seems to be it. > > I do get the sense from all this that there’s this real need to infantalize women. I was reading this (sigh, Cosmo) article about things you should do to keep safe and they include the buddy system–and if your friend decides to go off with a strange guy she meets at the bar, you should try to nag her and tell you you didn’t agree to do this and that in the light of day she’ll thank you. In addition, there was that article I read where the guys were condemned for having group sex–apparently any drunk woman who professes a desire to have an orgy needs to be escorted home and left in the care of another woman. But a guy who wants to go forth with sex? Well, he’s clearly an animal. Is anyone else bothered by this? Strictly as a statistical matter, I would venture the opinion that more women than men would profess light-of-day regrets after a random sexual encounter. Based purely on that, Cosmo is advising wisely. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/46 "2009-09-22T16:05:28Z")
Is being an animal bad? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/47 "2009-09-22T17:06:00Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Clean up? > > I’m wondering how he knew she had had sex? If you had sex with five guys in a men’s room stall it wouldn’t be difficult for someone who saw you afterwards to figure out you’d just done something unusual. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/48 "2009-09-22T17:09:37Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If you had sex with five guys in a men’s room stall it wouldn’t be difficult for someone who saw you afterwards to figure out you’d just done something unusual. Nah uh. I don’t sweat. I GLOW. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/49 "2009-09-22T17:11:17Z")
And through the thin film of urine residue she would have been glowing, too. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/50 "2009-09-22T17:30:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > And through the thin film of urine residue she would have been glowing, too. 😉 Secks: ur doin it rong. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/51 "2009-09-22T17:41:59Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > I think that people who make false rape accusations should be severely punished, but I also have to wonder, as I said, whether the sex was ENTIRELY voluntary on her part. Most women, especially 18 year olds, don’t just have sex with five men at once on the spur of the moment. Someone in my high school once said (this is ignoring all the many legal issues that would be involved in a law like this) that if someone falsely accuses another of rape, the accuser should have to take the punishment that the ‘rapist’ would have received. IMHO, it would be an interesting topic of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Mojo\_Pin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Mojo\_Pin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo_Pin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/52 "2009-09-22T18:01:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Strictly as a statistical matter, I would venture the opinion that more women than men would profess light-of-day regrets after a random sexual encounter. Based purely on that, Cosmo is advising wisely. You’re missing a step. Only if more than half of the women who have spontaneous random sex later regret it would that advice be valid. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/53 "2009-09-22T18:07:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Strictly as a statistical matter, I would venture the opinion that more women than men would profess light-of-day regrets after a random sexual encounter. Based purely on that, Cosmo is advising wisely. I just think if you’re having sex that you regret, the onus should be on you to not drink or have sex, not on the guy or your friends to walk you home or treat you with kid gloves. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/54 "2009-09-22T18:08:16Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Secks: ur doin it rong. From doin’ it in a mens’ room stall, not from doin’ it. If anything, it’s “pissing: we r doin it rong.” ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/55 "2009-09-22T21:10:09Z")
Interesting the way even after the video and the recantation people are still reluctant to abandon the rape version unless they can come up with a convicing rationale for the woman to lie about it. One can imagine that had the video not surfaced and the recantation not taken place, these guys might be looking at some hard time, based on one woman’s story. The vast majority of consexual sexual encounters are not videotaped … ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/56 "2009-09-22T21:11:24Z")
Well, clearly, it’s high time that changed. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/57 "2009-09-22T21:13:14Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Someone in my high school once said (this is ignoring all the many legal issues that would be involved in a law like this) that if someone falsely accuses another of rape, the accuser should have to take the punishment that the ‘rapist’ would have received. > IMHO, it would be an interesting topic of discussion. In a perfect world, that would be a good idea. (Actually, in a perfect world, there would be no rape nor accusations of it.) But I think the downside to that would be how many women would not come forward for fear of not only being not believed, but facing serious prison time. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/58 "2009-09-22T22:40:23Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > In a perfect world, that would be a good idea. (Actually, in a perfect world, there would be no rape nor accusations of it.) But I think the downside to that would be how many women would not come forward for fear of not only being not believed, but facing serious prison time. Like I said, it ignored a lot of factors. It’s just hard to think that there are people out there who have been fined, jailed and labeled a rapist and have to live with certain restrictions for the rest of their lives because they had sex with someone who later on decided they didn’t want to have sex, or worse, never had sex with that person but were accused for some other reason (revenge etc). It really wouldn’t work in practice, but, like I said, it’d make for an interesting discussion. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/59 "2009-09-23T03:00:25Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > It really wouldn’t work in practice, but, like I said, it’d make for an interesting discussion. Well, if a significant number of innocent men are going to jail it really aint working for them right now is it ? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719/60 "2009-09-23T12:51:58Z")
Yeah, fraught with problems but an interesting discussion. Just how many innocent men have been convicted of sex crimes? There’s probably no real way of knowing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hofstra-fake-gang-rape-claims/510719.md?page=4)