They actually did find a bunch of guilty motherfuckers, but they were all BLACK, so Holder is burying the investigation, just like the New BLACK Panthers.
I’m tempted to post this on a Tea Party website and see if they run with it.
Do it.
The Holder investigation served a real purpose - it exonerates the CIA.
The previous investigation didn’t do that. No reasonable person would have trusted that investigation. The Bush administration amply demonstrated it couldn’t be trusted to monitor itslef.
I am on the fence of whether CIA people who conducted torture should be prosecuted.
On the one hand they were following orders. Orders they had every reason to think were legal.
Of course the Nuremberg Trials suggested that “following orders” is not necessarily a protection. If you are asked to do something unconscionable you should refuse the order.
You do not want your troops questioning orders at every turn nor should you be prosecuting them for doing what they were told. Unless we deem what they were told as to be so beyond they pale that any human should say no.
The REAL people who need to be prosecuted are John Yoo, Dick Cheney and Geroge Bush (probably a few others).
“The” Australian news agency? We only have one? And it’s SBS? Fuck that’s going to be a surprise to Murdoch and co.
Good point.
Forgive me. I should have said “an”.
SBS just reported it, by the way. The actual article came from Agence France-Presse.
Aren’t you the guy who’s so scared shitless of women that you think men should secretly tape all the times they have sex with them to make sure they can’t accuse them of rape later?
Similarly, don’t you regularly piss in your pants about the possibility that spoiled rich white atheists will be rounded up into concentration camps?
Why do you have such judgement issues?
Do you support torture? If you do, then you are a monster. Period.
What, no naked pictures of Hillary Clinton and Rachel Maddow?
Which one would be holding the whip?
When the legal authority investigating you states that there is no evidence of wrong doing that is an exoneration. It doesn’t much matter that you have detractors who continue to bitch about things.
I won’t sit here and squabble about the definition of “exonerate” but:
Official Investigation –> No criminal investigations pursued to me means all those persons involved in the 100+ incidents that the DoJ isn’t pursuing were essentially exonerated. There was not mass uncovering of criminally actionable incidents.
The ACLU needs to read its constitution again, they do not get to decide who is going to be criminally investigated, that is the role of the State.
Not when it is clearly corrupt and an attempt to paper over atrocities.
Well, yeah, I know, I was here. But outside of empty snark, I don’t see your point. Are you saying they used to do rotten stuff to people, but that was the 60’s and they don’t any more? Well, then, was it Nixon who brought them to the light? Reagan, after “mistakes were made”? Bush the Elder, Bush the Leastest? Who should we thank for the kinder, gentler CIA?
Of course, if you are saying they never did any such things, then the 60’s part of of it makes no sense, no?
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Sorry for the snark, I was trying to use the phrase to point out that, in my opinion, times have indeed changed. Like any government agency, I’m sure there are good and bad people in the CIA. But since the agency holds a special place in some quarters as the focus of all evil, I think that gives them pause. They don’t want to be outed the next time the administration changes and the ideological purity wars begin anew.
So yes, based on their past actions which have come to light and people who have seen to many movies, I believe the CIA is being more careful in what they do. I certainly would want my ass to be covered if I was obeying the orders of my superior to interrogate someone.
That’s why the Holder probe offends me. He let his desire for something to be true to get in the way of the actual truth.
Do you really think “officially exonerated” means nothing wrong was done?
Not just this case…any case, anywhere, anywhen.
If the officials investigating say no crime was committed you would be correct in saying that was a “legal” exoneration but do you wanna bet I can come up with instances where you or anyone else would say justice was not done?
Odd thing to say about the guy who found them innocent (mostly).
Unless you mean they were really guilty and Holder let them skate.
Maybe someone figured put that if they are conducting a program of robotic assassination, that waterboarding doesn’t look that bad.