# Hollywood and It's Odious Past, Present, and Future **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 16, 2013, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654 "2013-07-16T10:46:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![independentDemocrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ba9def/32.png) [@independentDemocrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/independentDemocrat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/1 "2013-07-16T10:46:46Z")
Hollywood has since, its inception always promoted racism, sexism, violence, etc. From D.W. Griffith’s “Birth of A Nation” to modern day hip hop music… All serve to downgrade the image of males within the minority community. The subliminal messages in Disney cartoons are questionable at best and nearly all females are constantly portrayed as sex objects in every facet of the entertainment industry. And need I start with the industry’s fascination with the occult/satanism??? Is that good for children? And I’ll never forgive them for Maid in Manhattan or Jar Jar Binks from the crappy new Star Wars movies. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/2 "2013-07-16T12:02:59Z")
Moved MPSIMS --\> Cafe Society. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/3 "2013-07-16T12:07:10Z")
Dude, if you don’t like the movies, just don’t watch them! ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/4 "2013-07-16T12:20:46Z")
All the evils and pitfalls of the Hollywood dream machine and its environment, and you pick on Jar Jar? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/5 "2013-07-16T12:33:09Z")
Not sure if I’ve ever seen any pro-Satanism movies. Satanists are generally painted in a poor light, I thought. Unless you’re the type who considers any fictional representation of the practice of magic as being evil. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/6 "2013-07-16T12:44:45Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Not sure if I’ve ever seen any pro-Satanism movies. Satanists are generally painted in a poor light, I thought. Unless you’re the type who considers any fictional representation of the practice of magic as being evil. _The Ninth Gate_ was practically a publicity vehicle for Satan. Of course, it wasn’t made in Hollywood, but STILL… MOVIES! EVIL! ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/7 "2013-07-16T12:53:10Z")
And odious, don’t forget odious. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/8 "2013-07-16T12:53:32Z")
Huh, over a year out on my guess at the join date. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/9 "2013-07-16T12:57:06Z")
As an incidental note, _Robot Chicken_ redeemed Jar-Jar a little by suggesting he was a Sith who’d been manipulating Palpatine and Anakin all along. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/10 "2013-07-16T12:58:19Z")
_Rosemary’s Baby_ is the most-often cited movie as an ad for Satanism, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/11 "2013-07-16T13:16:42Z")
Hollywood is out to make money. The notion of cinema as an uplifting art is fairly limited in its ability to make money. You might make the same claim about authors of novels – they’re full of sex and satanism and whatever, as well. Those things sell. Some movies are, indeed, more socially aware (they often win Oscars, since the Academy likes to justify itself in broader terms than just corporate greed), but they are socially aware in ways that meet with popular approval so that patrons will spend $$ at the box office. To deplore Hollywood is to deplore the capitalist system. And, by the way, most of the world’s truly greatest films were made in Hollywood. The system has its flaws, of course, but that doesn’t mean they don’t produce great movies. But again, the same is true of other art forms as well: Wagner was an anti-semitic jerk, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t write great music. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/12 "2013-07-16T13:49:37Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > Hollywood is out to make money. The notion of cinema as an uplifting art is fairly limited in its ability to make money. For that matter, “uplifting” art of all kinds has a history both of not selling well\*, and simply not being very _good._ Artists who let their agendas shape their art tend to produce art that only appeals the the True Believers of whatever cause they are pushing. \*Outside of organizations sharing the “uplifting” agenda in question and buying them to distribute (and/or to bump up sale numbers in order to claim that it’s a a “bestseller”), but that’s not genuine popularity. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/13 "2013-07-16T14:23:04Z")
> [@independentDemocrat](#): > > Hollywood has since, its inception always promoted racism, sexism, violence, etc. Hollywood isn’t the music industry. > [@](#): > > The subliminal messages in Disney cartoons are questionable at best They’re questionable in that they don’t exist. > [@](#): > > And need I start with the industry’s fascination with the occult/satanism??? That doesn’t exist either, so no- you probably shouldn’t start. > [@](#): > > And I’ll never forgive them for Maid in Manhattan or Jar Jar Binks from the crappy new Star Wars movies. Perhaps I’ve dismissed your ideas too quickly. No, wait, I just remember that misplaced apostrophe in the thread title. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/14 "2013-07-16T14:39:26Z")
> [@independentDemocrat](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO7XgCZlDQk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO7XgCZlDQk) > > Hollywood has since, its inception always promoted racism, sexism, violence, etc. > From D.W. Griffith’s “Birth of A Nation” to modern day hip hop music… All serve to downgrade the image of males within the minority community. > The subliminal messages in Disney cartoons are questionable at best and nearly all females are constantly portrayed as sex objects in every facet of the entertainment industry. And need I start with the industry’s fascination with the occult/satanism??? Is that good for children? > > And I’ll never forgive them for Maid in Manhattan or Jar Jar Binks from the crappy new Star Wars movies. Wow. I wish I’d been that coherent after my first ECT. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/15 "2013-07-16T14:44:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > _The Ninth Gate_ was practically a publicity vehicle for Satan. > Of course, it wasn’t made in Hollywood, but STILL… MOVIES! EVIL! Wasn’t the Ninth Gate made by famous child molester Roman Polanski? Might explain its nature. ---
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/16 "2013-07-16T15:32:42Z")
A Hollywood movie killed my brother! ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/17 "2013-07-16T16:23:05Z")
And subtext is NOT “subliminal messaging.” IIRC, the phrase has a very specific meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/18 "2013-07-17T18:47:15Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > A Hollywood movie killed my brother! …they’ll bring him back in the sequel. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/19 "2013-07-17T19:14:48Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > …they’ll bring him back in the sequel. 😉 But he’ll be played by Ted McGinley and his new director and producer will be Uwe Boll. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654/20 "2013-07-17T19:36:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But he’ll be played by Ted McGinley and his new director and producer will be Uwe Boll. It’s true, there are worse fates than death! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hollywood-and-its-odious-past-present-and-future/663654.md?page=2)