# Holy crap! Man be-heads fellow passenger on Greyhound in Manitoba! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 31, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385 "2008-07-31T18:20:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/81 "2008-08-03T10:48:49Z")
[RCMP Operational Tapes Leaked](http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2008/08/03/6341116-sun.html) - appear to confirm rumours of cannibalism. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/82 "2008-08-03T13:10:12Z")
“operational police communications and as such are not meant for public consumption.” What an unfortunate choice of word. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/83 "2008-08-03T13:12:01Z")
Which is, of course, why the Media is eating it up. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/84 "2008-08-03T13:18:21Z")
[http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/08/03/6341121-sun.html](http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/08/03/6341121-sun.html) “In February 2007, a friend who lived just around the corner, David Wong, was dismembered in the bathroom of his own apartment [by four men in a matter unrelated to Li].” "On Friday, Reid learned she was also neighbours with Vince Weiguang Li, the 40-year-old charged with second-degree murder in connection with the stabbing and beheading of Greyhound passenger Tim McLean Jr. " That’s one rough neighbourhood. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/85 "2008-08-03T13:54:50Z")
I think it’s the beheading part. Do you think the death of Daniel Pearl would have been so compelling and disturbing had he not been beheaded? That’s a really personal, horrifying way to die. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/86 "2008-08-03T14:51:36Z")
OK, this is just rude… The Montreal Gazette website has an article about this story… together with a sidebar ad promoting “Greyhound Bus Travel - Now 25% off!” ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/87 "2008-08-03T16:58:12Z")
I just noticed that the title of today’s NYT puzzle is “Off with their heads!”. ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/88 "2008-08-03T17:17:07Z")
Why did Li have a hunting knife on him? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/89 "2008-08-03T17:29:35Z")
[QUOTE=BrotherCadfael] OK, this is just rude… The Montreal Gazette website has an article about this story… together with a sidebar ad promoting “Greyhound Bus Travel - Now 25% off!” [/QUOTE] Are they referring to the fare or the passenger? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/90 "2008-08-03T21:23:38Z")
[QUOTE=DeadlyAccurate] Why did Li have a hunting knife on him? [/QUOTE] To do what he did. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/91 "2008-08-03T22:54:27Z")
[QUOTE=DeadlyAccurate] Why did Li have a hunting knife on him? [/QUOTE] He was hunting. He bagged what he was after, too. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/92 "2008-08-03T23:37:54Z")
_waits for some Homeland Security Puke in DC to use this as an example as to why its just too dangerous to allow passengers with a Swiss Army (ie Cub Scout) knife on any form of public transportation_ Got your Greyhound ticket? Now take off your shoes, bow your head & step to the left or No Travel for You…6 Years!!! Hey You, MacGuyver! Up Against the Wall. Spread Em…! ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/93 "2008-08-04T15:53:46Z")
[QUOTE=Muffin] To do what he did. [/QUOTE] But that would imply malice aforethought (I’m no lawyer; I’m using terminology I got off TV shows). The bizarre, gruesome, and public nature of the crime would seem to indicate someone who had a complete break with reality, and yet the hunting knife seems to indicate he’d planned it all along. Or maybe Canadians always carry hunting knives on their persons in case of rogue moose attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/94 "2008-08-04T16:27:25Z")
I wouldn’t say it’s common to carry a hunting knife, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I saw a fellow carrying one. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/95 "2008-08-04T16:59:19Z")
[QUOTE=China Guy] The perps name is obviously mainland chinese. immigrant? [/QUOTE] According to this article: [Greyhound suspect on suicide watch](http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=7ccfe5d9-d9c5-4b8d-a104-bbbff914e874), the accused was a recent immigrant. There is also a mention from an acquaintance, a mental health professional, who says that she was concerned about him: > [@](#): > > In an exclusive interview with the Free Press Saturday, a family friend said she felt Li was troubled, but had refused repeated offers to see a doctor and get help. > > The family friend, who works in the mental-health field, said it was obvious Li was struggling. > > “He needed help, but he just wouldn’t get it,” she said. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/96 "2008-08-04T17:07:24Z")
[QUOTE=Malthus] Mr. Bus Decapitator [/QUOTE] Why do I hear the beer commercial with the voice over and the singing? _So here’s to you Mr. Bus Decapitator…_ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/97 "2008-08-04T17:11:11Z")
[QUOTE=DeadlyAccurate] But that would imply malice aforethought (I’m no lawyer; I’m using terminology I got off TV shows). The bizarre, gruesome, and public nature of the crime would seem to indicate someone who had a complete break with reality, and yet the hunting knife seems to indicate he’d planned it all along. [/QUOTE] One of the stories linked in this thread indicates something went really wrong with this guy a couple of weeks ago and something snapped. He told his employer one thing about this bus trip (job interview) and said something different to his wife (family emergency), which says to me that neither one was true. He may get charged with second-degree murder because he picked McLean at random, but it sounds like he knew he was going to kill somebody. Or maybe it was the trip, but it doesn’t sound that way to me. **Terrifel** : yeah, this might not have been such a big international story if not for the beheading and the apparent cannibalism. Then again, it’s those details and the randomness that push this from “awful” into “one of the craziest things you ever hear.” ---
**Author:** ![Tool\_of\_the\_Conspiracy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@Tool\_of\_the\_Conspiracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tool_of_the_Conspiracy)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/98 "2008-08-04T22:05:56Z")
[QUOTE=Count Blucher] _waits for some Homeland Security Puke in DC to use this as an example as to why its just too dangerous to allow passengers with a Swiss Army (ie Cub Scout) knife on any form of public transportation_ Got your Greyhound ticket? Now take off your shoes, bow your head & step to the left or No Travel for You…6 Years!!! Hey You, MacGuyver! Up Against the Wall. Spread Em…! [/QUOTE] It was an inside job, man! The government arranged it all, as an excuse to keep track of who rides the bus. You think that was a _real_ Greyhound bus? No! It was a radio-controlled APC disguised to _look_ like a bus. The real bus and its passengers were shipped off to Baffin Island. I’ve accidentally brought my swiss army knife on a plane before. It went right through the x-ray machine with the rest of the crap from my pockets. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/99 "2008-08-04T23:12:48Z")
[QUOTE=Tool of the Conspiracy] I’ve accidentally brought my swiss army knife on a plane before. It went right through the x-ray machine with the rest of the crap from my pockets. [/QUOTE] …And you led them Here, you Miserable Son of a #&$%…!? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/100 "2008-08-05T01:58:40Z")
Suicide watch. OK, watch him suicide. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385.md?page=6)