# Holy crap! Man be-heads fellow passenger on Greyhound in Manitoba! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 31, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385 "2008-07-31T18:20:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/101 "2008-08-05T02:06:36Z")
[QUOTE=DeadlyAccurate] Or maybe Canadians always carry hunting knives on their persons in case of rogue moose attacks. [/QUOTE] Nothing unusual up my way about folks carrying a hunting knife, for a lot of people hunt. Grandmothers hunt. (I don’t hunt, but even then I have a diving knife attached to my PFD, and the PFD is usually either in my vehicle or on me.) If I came upon someone out and about with a hunting knife, I wouldn’t give it a second thought, unless they appeared unstable. Do I think that the headhunter carried the knife for the purpose of killing someone? Yes. Would I charge him wtih 1st degree murder? No, for my supposition is a far cry from proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Better to charge him with something that has a substantially similar maximum sentence while at the same time having a better chance at conviction. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/102 "2008-08-05T17:34:54Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] He was hunting. He bagged what he was after, too. [/QUOTE] Did he have a permit? ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/103 "2008-08-05T17:45:58Z")
One of thel linked articles mentioned that the police said the suspect defiled the body. Does this mean what I think it means? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/104 "2008-08-05T17:53:47Z")
[QUOTE=Shirley Ujest] Does this mean what I think it means? [/QUOTE] If you think it means he cut pieces off with a pair of scissors and ate them, then yes. Yes it does. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/105 "2008-08-06T03:33:48Z")
Just when you thought it couldn’t get ickier…he had a court appearance today: [Man accused of beheading bus passenger says ‘please kill me’ in Manitoba court](http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jkIYE7aNXDcSAm-Kcgiwnyn3Kl4g) . The Crown asked for, and got, an order for a psychiatric examination. As part of her submissions, the Crown gave a summary of the events: > [@](#): > > [spoiler]According to a police report Dalmyn read from in court, the accused carried the victim’s severed head back and forth on the bus “taunting” officers. Armed with a knife and a pair of scissors, he was also observed “cutting body parts from the victim and eating those body parts,” said Dalmyn. > > Throughout the ordeal, the only thing police heard from Li was the statement: “I have to stay on the bus forever,” Dalmyn told the court. > > After Li’s arrest, officers discovered a plastic bag containing an ear, nose and part of a mouth in the pocket of the accused, she said.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/106 "2008-08-06T03:54:07Z")
You know, the guy is obviously so incredibly messed-up that I can’t find it in my heart to hate him for what he did. If anybody qualified for an insanity plea, I think it’s this guy, although it seems like keeping him alive in an institution is no kindness (not that he’d be killed in jail, either, since we don’t have the death penalty here). ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/107 "2008-08-06T12:19:37Z")
He wasn’t wearing a sloppily applied clown face by any chance was he? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/108 "2008-08-06T12:55:03Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Mudd] If you think it means he cut pieces off with a pair of scissors and ate them, then yes. Yes it does. [/QUOTE] Whereas if she was thinking something else, I hope _that_ didn’t happen (if it makes any difference to anybody at this point). ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/109 "2008-08-06T14:25:56Z")
[QUOTE=Northern Piper] As part of her submissions, the Crown gave a summary of the events: [/QUOTE] No skullfucking, thank God. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/110 "2008-08-06T18:40:42Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] No skullfucking, thank God. [/QUOTE] We are a perverse lot. I thought the same thing as well. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/111 "2008-08-06T22:15:44Z")
“Weiguang Li” doesn’t translate to “John Wayne” by any chance, does it? ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/112 "2008-08-06T23:05:30Z")
From the article that Northern Piper posted: “Police are looking into information that Li may have spent as many as four days in a psychiatric facility prior to the attack, Dalmyn said.” This may be just a rumor that they’re chasing down, but I would SO not want to be connected with any facility that had discharged him or turned him away. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/113 "2008-08-06T23:12:46Z")
[QUOTE=Yllaria] This may be just a rumor that they’re chasing down, but I would SO not want to be connected with any facility that had discharged him or turned him away. [/QUOTE] They may not have been able to hold him any longer, if it was an involuntary confinement. I don’t know the law in Canada, right now, but in the US it’s very hard to hold someone beyond 96 hours against their will, without clear evidence of a threat. I wouldn’t want to be connected, either. But that’s simply because I am allergic to witch hunts. I’m sure that there are teams of lawyers trying to find paperwork to prove that every i is dotted and t is crossed, but I’m not going to assume that the facility erred, based on what they knew at the time. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/114 "2008-08-06T23:14:16Z")
Umm, why was that in a spoiler? Is there going to be a movie made out of it? Anyway, while the man is obviously quite insane, I could not help but notice this line: > [@](#): > > Throughout the ordeal, the only thing police heard from Li was the statement: “I have to stay on the bus forever,” Dalmyn told the court. A bus ride all the way through Saskatchewan? Close enough. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/115 "2008-08-07T00:33:54Z")
**OtakuLoki** , I wasn’t trying to imply that they did anything wrong. Just that it would be horrible finding out and having to think about it; and that, if not a witch hunt, something was coming and it was very likely to hit a fan. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/116 "2008-08-07T00:45:40Z")
Fair enough **Yllaria**. There are enough misapprehensions about mental health and its treatment that I figured it would be useful to use your comment to emphasize that this event could have happened in spite of the treatment facility doing everything it could do legally to treat this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/117 "2008-08-07T02:12:49Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] Umm, why was that in a spoiler? Is there going to be a movie made out of it? [/QUOTE] Because I’m getting sick of reading all the gory details each time. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/118 "2008-08-07T03:47:59Z")
I understand that people can’t be held at mental institutions against their will in Canada, either. Put that together with the sorry state of available mental health facilities in Alberta, and you might have a big problem. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/119 "2008-08-07T05:35:12Z")
[Greyhound](http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=0ae00464-9d02-416a-9ae4-08ccc246c322) pulls [“bus rage” ads](http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/storyimage.html?id=0ae00464-9d02-416a-9ae4-08ccc246c322&img=b15c8dc7-fe83-44ef-81d2-90a70f5f73df&path=/windsorstar/news/) ---
**Author:** ![RiverRunner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/977dab/32.png) [@RiverRunner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RiverRunner)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385/120 "2008-08-07T14:12:01Z")
[QUOTE=Northern Piper] [Greyhound](http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=0ae00464-9d02-416a-9ae4-08ccc246c322) pulls [“bus rage” ads](http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/storyimage.html?id=0ae00464-9d02-416a-9ae4-08ccc246c322&img=b15c8dc7-fe83-44ef-81d2-90a70f5f73df&path=/windsorstar/news/) [/QUOTE] Another advertising campaign shot to blazes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-man-be-heads-fellow-passenger-on-greyhound-in-manitoba/458385.md?page=7)