# Holy crap! The Communists are framing the U.S.!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 21, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840 "2005-05-21T02:23:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/1 "2005-05-21T02:23:30Z")
[Linky Loo](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7921587/?GT1=6542) > [@](#): > > Officials in Nizhegorodskaya region, on the Volga river east of Moscow, said water in the lake might have been sucked down into an underground water-course or cave system, but some villagers had more sinister explanations. > > “I am thinking, well, America has finally got to us,” said one old woman, as she sat on the ground outside her house. The first thing that flashed through my mind was some sort of _Sum of All Fears_ conspiracy. I think the Communists are trying to frame the U.S. in ‘Ecological Warfare’!! :eek: Tripler See!! I told you they’re still around!!! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stark_Raven_Mad)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/2 "2005-05-21T03:00:01Z")
In Soviet Russia, ecology wages wa- Nah. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/3 "2005-05-22T00:28:19Z")
Of course it was the Americans. They wanted to steal water from the Lake of the Woods, but the Canadians made such a fuss that the water was stolen from Russia instead. Note how the Lake of the Woods diversion option has mysteriously been disappeared from North Dakota’s list (and remember that Tripler has had close ties with the military in North Dakota, so don’t be fooled by him): [http://www.rrvwsp.com/maps.htm](http://www.rrvwsp.com/maps.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/4 "2005-05-22T00:58:31Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > (and remember that Tripler has had close ties with the military in North Dakota, so don’t be fooled by him) I disavow any knowledge of any type by this statement. This post will self desctruct in five seconds. . . Tripler . . . eight, nine, ten. . . aw shit. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/5 "2005-05-22T01:00:59Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Note how the Lake of the Woods diversion option has mysteriously been disappeared from North Dakota’s list I trust I’m being whooshed here. And is there really any shock at such a ludicrous assertion that America is somehow doing such things? Based on what I’ve seen on these boards, that Russian woman quoted sounds pretty damn reasonable. One thing that does make me fell a little better about killing off that village (I assume that’s the next avenue of thought the ill-informed America heaters will travel) is that so many are still aware that we can pretty much bitch-slap anyone we want. We usually don’t, but when a group wants to keep pushing buttons, there’s a chance the phone will ring. We always answer. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/6 "2005-05-22T01:25:19Z")
Hey Duffer, yes, it was a whoosh as far as the Ruskies goes. If you are interested, yes, North Dakota is making plans to deal with it’s expected water shortage, and one option that is being considered is to pipe water out of the Lake of the Woods, which is bounded by Ontario and Minnesota. Unfortuantely, no one thought to mention the plan to Canada and see what Canada might think about having water diverted out of the lake, so there was a bit of a fluster when North Dakota said that Canada had not raised an objection. “Using a hydrology model, Reclamation projects that the [Red River] valley will face a critical water shortage during future droughts.” [http://www.rrvwsp.com/fall\_2004\_eis\_newsletter.pdf](http://www.rrvwsp.com/fall_2004_eis_newsletter.pdf) at page 2. Signe Snortland, an environmental specialist with the North Dakota water agency, anticipates a “1930s-type drought” causing “a water shortage equal to 90 per cent of its needs . . . within 25 years.” [http://www.waterconserve.info/articles/reader.asp?linkid=40947](http://www.waterconserve.info/articles/reader.asp?linkid=40947) One option proposed by the Bureau of Reclamation is to divert water from the Lake of the Woods, as per the map on page 4 ibid. [http://www.rrvwsp.com/fall\_2004\_eis\_newsletter.pdf](http://www.rrvwsp.com/fall_2004_eis_newsletter.pdf) It appears that no Canadian agency was consulted, as implied by pages 5 and 7 ibid. Snortland “said Monday there had been no objection to the plan from Canada.” [http://www.waterconserve.info/articles/reader.asp?linkid=40947](http://www.waterconserve.info/articles/reader.asp?linkid=40947) Upon learning of the proposed option, Ontario voiced strong opposition on Wednesday. [http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/csb/news/2005/may04nr\_05.html](http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/csb/news/2005/may04nr_05.html) ---
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/7 "2005-05-22T01:30:37Z")
Wait a minnit, wait a minnit, wait a minnit . . . . Even if I _did_ have something to do with the theft of Russian waters, just how the hell would I transport it to the U.S. without losing it’s potential as fresh water? (i.e. not spilling it into a sea/ocean, or not having someone find me with umpteen-hundred barges of fresh Russian fluid)? Tripler I again profess my innocence. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/8 "2005-05-22T01:55:51Z")
Regurgitation like a mama-bird returning to her young. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/9 "2005-05-22T02:10:47Z")
Ahhhh, they’re 1930’s style “droughts”. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/10 "2005-05-22T03:18:38Z")
**Muffin** , I must say I’ve never heard of these groups, nor any shortage of water of any kind unless the oldsters are talking about the Dust Bowl years. And I sure as hell never heard of any diversion bringing water from LotW south when the Red flows north and brings us all the water we need. And it tends to give us plenty of [water](http://www.geo.mtu.edu/department/classes/ge404/mlbroder/) ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/11 "2005-05-22T10:32:02Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > One thing that does make me fell a little better about killing off that village (I assume that’s the next avenue of thought the ill-informed America heaters will travel) thats how they did it! they evaporated the water using America Heaters!! > [@](#): > > is that so many are still aware that we can pretty much bitch-slap anyone we want. > We usually don’t, but when a group wants to keep pushing buttons, there’s a chance the phone will ring. We always answer. Deal with it. with an attitude like that, are you suprised so much of the world reacts negatively to Americans? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/12 "2005-05-22T14:24:35Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > **Muffin** , I must say I’ve never heard of these groups, nor any shortage of water of any kind unless the oldsters are talking about the Dust Bowl years. And I sure as hell never heard of any diversion bringing water from LotW south when the Red flows north and brings us all the water we need. > > And it tends to give us plenty of [water](http://www.geo.mtu.edu/department/classes/ge404/mlbroder/) Hey Duffer, those links are real. Ne shitteth vous pas. There really is a US Bureau of Land Reclamation that really is expecting and planning for a massive dust bowl era type drought, and one of the proposals they are considering really is to pipe water down from the Lake of the Woods to North Dakota, and there really is an Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources which really is opposed to any such diversion, and no, the North Dakota planners really did not bother to mention it to the Canadians. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/13 "2005-05-22T16:21:36Z")
**Muffin** , I’m not trying to start an argument, I was just saying I’ve never heard of any of this. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. I’m going to check this out a little deeper and find out what this is all about. Might explain why Canada is so against the Devil’s Lake outlet. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-crap-the-communists-are-framing-the-u-s/304840/14 "2005-05-23T03:26:19Z")
No prob. The Devil’s Lake issue is a different issue (Manitoba is concerned about receiving water quality and parasites), but the two issues (Devil’s Lake drainage and Lake of the Woods diversion) both tend to piss off the Canadians.