# Holy Freaking Crap Guys, How Hard is it to Accept People? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965 "2011-04-28T00:02:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/41 "2011-04-28T16:20:51Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So Obama finally lets everyone see his birth certificate. Why the hell did he refuse to show it for this long? Who knows. Well, you lost a lot of credibility with this statement but I’ll read on. > [@](#): > > Just as bad are the complete morons who tell us that we’d be better of if every religious person “disappeared”. Oops. Is this the old communists are atheists therefore atheism is just as bad as religion stuff? Or is this, “I hate when non-religious people refuse to tolerate religious intolerance.” Or maybe it’s the “fair and balanced” false equivalence in which atheists who wish there was no religion are somehow equated with religious fundamentalists who actively take away other peoples civil rights. Either way, strike two. > [@](#): > > Why can’t we hate the game and not the player? Looks like a riff on the disingenuous, “Hate the sin but not the sinner.” Strike three. This just didn’t work for me. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/42 "2011-04-28T16:47:25Z")
I can’t take seriously the opinions of a no-good stinkin’ lousy _ **Tomato Hater** _! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/43 "2011-04-28T16:51:47Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because life isn’t a game, and because being on the same forum doesn’t make you a friend. Because when someone is supporting actions and beliefs that hurt other people, “let’s just agree to disagree” is no longer a moral option. Oh, good grief, DT. Don’t take this place so seriously. _Fighting ignorance since 1973_ is just a tagline, like calling _The Fantastic Four_ “the world’s greatest comic magazine.” People come to the SDMB to _play_. To be in company with persons who like to play with words and read and talk. There’s no reason not to be nice to one another; it makes everyone’s experience better. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/44 "2011-04-28T16:54:59Z")
[QUOTE=Babale] I have nothing against Der Trihs personally (except that his name is hard to spell. Trihs, thris, the get confused on my iPad.) [/QUOTE] “Red Shirt” backwards. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/45 "2011-04-28T17:06:50Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This is just a general rant about the state of America, and the world in general. Seriously, some of the stuff I see people say and do makes me want to jump of the tallest building I can find… > > Let’s kick this rant off with the obvious: So Obama finally lets everyone see his birth certificate. Why the hell did he refuse to show it for this long? Who knows. But more importantly, why are people so obsessed with seeing it?! Calm down douche-bags, just because he refused to show it doesn’t make him a Kenyan Communist Fascist Muslim! Don’t get me wrong, there are lots of reasons to not approve of Obama’s presidency. I disapprove of his foreign policy, I disapprove of his views on the economy… And yet, I manage to voice my disapproval in a calm, mature manner WITHOUT trolling America about a stupid piece of paper. Why can’t half the country do that? Shit like this makes me ashamed of being a fiscal conservative… Until I read some of the things that democrats write about republicans, conservatives, or people with a semblance of religion on this board, or in the news paper, or on TV. Stuff like THAT makes me ashamed of being socially liberal. > > And then, for example, we get to stuff like the complete douchebaggery going on around the Gay Marriage debate. Why the hell should anyone care about someone’s sexuality? I think tomatoes are gross. Does that mean I hate everyone who eats tomatoes? No. If I did, people would think I was weird. So why do people care about what homosexuals do? I find sex between two men or two women gross. So I don’t have sex with another man. Why does that mean I need to hate homosexuals? What those assholes who picket funerals do is much worse than having sex with someone of the same gender. And then when I say I’m a conservative, I get identified with those fuckers just because we may or may not agree on our stance on Universal Healthcare? Fuck. > > Just as bad are the complete morons who tell us that we’d be better of if every religious person “disappeared”. You know who I’m talking about. Those people make me sick. Newsflash, asshole: Just because you want people gone because they stand against “truth” and “science” doesn’t make you any better than the Al Qaeda assholes who want YOU dead because you don’t believe in Allah or the Crusading morons who wanted you dead because you happened to live on the way to Jerusalem and didn’t have a picture of Jesus on the wall. > > This all really boils down to one thing, I guess: (Also TL;DR): > > Why can’t any debate, on these forums or elsewhere, focus on the merits of the actual issues, rather than consist purely of personal attacks on members on the other side? Why can’t we put aside our differences and be friends, and then debate the issues themselves? Why can’t we hate the game and not the player? Took too long? How ? He showed his birth certificate 3 years ago. When should he have shown it? ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/46 "2011-04-28T17:06:51Z")
[QUOTE=sh1bu1] Obama “released” what Hawaii gives everyone born in Hawaii: a certificate of live birth. The “birth certificate” is in a bound book in the state archives. Obama could not “release” it because he didn’t have it. Numerous people looked at the original and said “yup, it’s there”, but after years of morons like you being convinced by the research you do in the checkout line at the supermarkets, the President petitioned Hawaii (not him, jackass, he didn’t have it) to release a photocopy of the page in the book. [/QUOTE] I was thinking that these actual original documents (BC, College records, tax records, and so on) could be taken out, sealed in protective glass cases, and tour the country like the “King Tut” exhibit. Think of all the money we could raise! ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/47 "2011-04-28T17:11:10Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Oh, good grief, DT. Don’t take this place so seriously. _Fighting ignorance since 1973_ is just a tagline, like calling _The Fantastic Four_ “the world’s greatest comic magazine.” People come to the SDMB to _play_. To be in company with persons who like to play with words and read and talk. There’s no reason not to be nice to one another; it makes everyone’s experience better. Excuse you, **Skald**. But **Der Trihs** is so motherfucking righteous that he won’t let simple “etiquette” and “sociability” stand in the way of his cause. I mean, if he has to\* be a dick on the internet\* to make the world a better place, he’ll fucking do that. He’s that hardcore. He’s doing this for _morality_. The kind of morality that doesn’t require you to run your yap at work or seek political office or mount a revolution—you know, you might lose your job or your fun toys or go to jail by doing that. But instead the kind of _morality_ for which you can strike a blow by being shitty and self-important online. How dare you try to stand in the way of such a noble cause! How dare you! ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/48 "2011-04-28T17:58:36Z")
I’d like an explanation from the OP as to why he hates our tomato-based freedoms. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/49 "2011-04-28T18:20:44Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > How dare you try to stand in the way of such a noble cause! How dare you! The RhymerFaq is explicit about me be a jackass. In fact I better go kick a puppy to keep my stats up. ---
**Author:** ![phouka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@phouka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phouka)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/50 "2011-04-28T18:48:29Z")
> [@Khaki\_Campbell](#): > > Yes indeed, for instance I don’t give a shit about gay people’s sexuality, so why the hell can’t they stop bringing it forward ? Like, “Hello, I’m Mike and I’m gay”. > > Do I fucking say “Hello, I’m Khaki and I’m straight” :rolleyes: ? Because the default assumption in our society is that everyone is straight. This assumption causes us to treat people with certain conventions that, if you’re not straight, leave you out in the cold. So, by stating it clearly in his introduction (“Hello, I’m Mike, and I’m gay.”), he’s letting you know that common assumptions about his life - which would work perfectly fine with a straight person - will not work with him. He’s asking you, obliquely, to take into account that he diverges from the norm and would really appreciate your recognition of that fact and an effort to treat him like he’s still a human being with feelings. So . . . don’t fucking ask him if he thinks that chick is hot. If you think being gay is Teh Gross, don’t ask him questions about his relationships, his thoughts on sex, or anything else that might make you gag. Don’t assume the picture of a guy on his desk is his brother, his platoon buddy, or his kidney donor. Don’t spout off Biblical verses about the evils of the gay in front of him or tell queer jokes. He was not bring it all forward. He did not grab your penis or try to french kiss you, dude. He didn’t even compliment your hair and ask you out on a date. He gave you a relevant piece of information to help you negotiate small adjustments in common courtesy. Get over yourself. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/51 "2011-04-28T18:52:53Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I cant defend religion because you haven’t made any arguments against it, you joist said “it’s dumb”. And when we ask you WHY, all you say is “is too!”. > > Pretty much the only real argument you made is that it’s based on false facts. You say that theres no evidence; one could counter “the fact that the world exists is evidence of something that kicked off the creation of the universe. Of all the theories, religion makes sense to me”. > > And I never attacked you. I attacked the way you argue because that’s what this thread is about, not religion; but I never attacked you personally. I haven’t read the whole thread, I’m just popping in here to say good luck on getting some folks in here to act like adults **Babale**! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/52 "2011-04-28T20:01:09Z")
> [@Cort](#): > > Still, this will only make the birthers more screechy and angry. Bad move. It’s a good move if it’s intended to troll the Birthers and exacerbate the Republicans’ ongoing dilemma (pander to the crackpots and alienate reasonable middle-of-the-road people, or distance themselves from the crackpots and alienate a chunk of their base). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/53 "2011-04-28T22:41:49Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > No wonder \*\*Starving Artist \*\*likes you. You are a kindred “I’m supposed to actually remember the crap I said earlier?” spirit. Alright, I guess I did use those words. I’m not gonna try to make excuses, so let me just say that if you’ll allow me too, I’d reract that statement and revise it to “you have the right to call religion evil just because you disagree with it, but doing so will lead me to not take you seriously”. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And your own logic makes you a bigot; if condemning religion is bigoted, then so is condemning communism or Nazism. I wasn’t condemning nazism or communism because they are nazism or communism, I was condemning what they caused. Communism is fine if it doesn’t involve killing people, since I can see the arguments for both a socialist model and an authoritarian government. I disagree with those arguments, but communism isn’t inherently evil. Nazism? Maybe it can work in a non-evil way, but since as far as I can tell nazism is just “hitler rocks!11! Let’s kill Jews and black!”, I’m less inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt. > [@sh1bu1](#): > > It’s amazing how much stupidity you can put in such a short post. > > Obama “released” what Hawaii gives everyone born in Hawaii: a certificate of live birth. The “birth certificate” is in a bound book in the state archives. Obama could not “release” it because he didn’t have it. Numerous people looked at the original and said “yup, it’s there”, but after years of morons like you being convinced by the research you do in the checkout line at the supermarkets, the President petitioned Hawaii (not him, jackass, he didn’t have it) to release a photocopy of the page in the book. > > Should the President have asked Hawaii to do it sooner? Well look what good it actually did. The birthers are still not satisfied. > > Now back to your post. There are people in this world that deserve to be called stupid. Among them are flat earthers, 9/11 truthers, holocaust deniers, moon hoaxers, birthers, and you. Thank you for the personal insults; I’m sure they help your argument. Now, I am sorry I asked why Obama didn’t do whatever he did sooner. I was ranting, and was trying to show that both sides make mistakes. Maybe he could have done something sooner, maybe he couldn’t have; frankly I don’t give a crap. If you bother getting your head out of your ass and reading my post, you’ll see that I used half a sentence to complain about Obama and a full paragraph to complain about birthers, because I completely agree with you about their stupidity. I don’t see why you think I agree with them, but whatever you want to believe is fine. > [@heatmiserfl](#): > > Well, you lost a lot of credibility with this statement but I’ll read on. > Oops. Is this the old communists are atheists therefore atheism is just as bad as religion stuff? Or is this, “I hate when non-religious people refuse to tolerate religious intolerance.” Or maybe it’s the “fair and balanced” false equivalence in which atheists who wish there was no religion are somehow equated with religious fundamentalists who actively take away other peoples civil rights. Either way, strike two. I said NOTHING about atheists here! I said that people who hate all religious people on principal piss me off, just as people who hate all atheists or heretics or nonbelievers or any other category piss me off. Where the FUCK did you find communism? Where did I say that atheists are bad because of communists? If I HAD said that, I’d be contradicting myself, because the categorical hatred group includes people who use that argument. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/54 "2011-04-28T22:57:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because life isn’t a game, and because being on the same forum doesn’t make you a friend. Because when someone is supporting actions and beliefs that hurt other people, “let’s just agree to disagree” is no longer a moral option. **Der Trihs** stands for all that is decent and just, and if he has to personally shit down the neck of every one of you motherfucking bastards in order to prove it, then by Christ, he’ll do it!! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/55 "2011-04-28T23:05:20Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’d like an explanation from the OP as to why he hates our tomato-based freedoms. Tomatoes have veins running through them. They have areas that look like organs. They are not plants. They are a weird and odd specie that man should respect and not treat like food. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/56 "2011-04-28T23:07:00Z")
Ok, maybe Der Trihs is a bit overzealous, but making fun of him is wrong in the same way that the way he chooses to argue is wrong. Can we tone it down a bit, or at least not make posts for the sole purpose of annoying him? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/57 "2011-04-28T23:15:08Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Ok, maybe Der Trihs is a bit overzealous, but making fun of him is wrong in the same way that the way he chooses to argue is wrong. Can we tone it down a bit, or at least not make posts for the sole purpose of annoying him? You… do realize that you’re in the Pit, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/58 "2011-04-28T23:42:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You… do realize that you’re in the Pit, right? If this thread doesn’t qualify as cognitive dissonance, I don’t know what does. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/59 "2011-04-29T00:33:28Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Tomatoes have veins running through them. They have areas that look like organs. They are not plants. They are a weird and odd specie that man should respect and not treat like food. They should be left to rot on the vine instead? Or should we cut them above the stem and keep them housed lying on pillows in polished little mahogany boxes? Clearly you have veins and organs and are a weird and odd specie that should not be treated like food, but that doesn’t mean tomatoes are too. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965/60 "2011-04-29T01:00:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Ok, maybe Der Trihs is a bit overzealous, but making fun of him is wrong in the same way that the way he chooses to argue is wrong. Can we tone it down a bit, or at least not make posts for the sole purpose of annoying him? Humor may be the only way of getting through to him. I would like to see others offer jokes about his constant appeals to harmlessness, but total disregard of other virtues such as moderation, acknowledging the limitations of the human mind, and the possibility that things that are self-evident to him must not be self-evident to those he disagrees with and therefore requiring of explanation. He’s obviously intelligent, but his posts are a parody of the SDMB. Or maybe some philosopher should start a thread on how permanent, fixed-weight moral rules inevitably lead to cruel excesses. Whatever works. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-freaking-crap-guys-how-hard-is-it-to-accept-people/579965.md?page=4)